Brumbies v Cheetahs Super Rugby R3 2012

[JJJ]

There seems to be a lot of grizzling about the scrum decisions in the last 20 mins. Is that "front row moving their heads" penalty actually in the rule book? Because if it is then I don't have a problem with the call, even if the brums did clearly go a bit earlier than the cheetahs. If they were balked into it and that's illegal then fair enough. And not hard to see why the cheetahs would want to screw the scrum away from the posts on the last one.

A lot is being made of the reffing one-sidedness in the last 20, but if the brumbies were significantly the fitter team (which they looked to be, and reports of their gruelling pre-season supports) then that'll probably happen more often than not.

 

[Slim 293]

The advanced fitness levels certainly showed in that period as the Brumbies' were allowed to make extra metres with each run...

So many of the Brumbies' players looked really strong in the contact for that period against what was a tiring opposition...

It also helped that the Brumbies tidied up their rucks when Hooper came on.

And how much 'fatter' did a lot of those Cheetahs' forwards look?

 

[cyclopath]

Not to mention the egregious time-wasting of the Cheetahs, reminiscent of a few seasons ago when they were lying all over the place and the second half against the Tahs took about 55 minutes with all the stoppages.
This needs to be stamped out. And that includes TPN having a breather all the time. Refs ought to call play on. If they can't pack the scrum or throw in the lineout, free kick them or get someone else to throw in. It'll stop soon.

 

[louie]

i'd be all for rugby having stoppage time like in football.

 

[Paradox]

Well done Baby Bs. They would have blown that game last year. Happy with Mowen's leadership. Gee Nick White is shaping up as Genia's number 2. Early days yet though.

 

[PaarlBok]

The Cheetahs were lucky to not lose a front rower to the bin, with all the shenanigans going on. Apart from the lack of binding, early engages and boring going on, the time wasting was epic. I thought the last call was fine.

Complete utter rubbish. I dunno if it was the TV signal and the sound not in synch but the Brumbies hit before the engage call all match long and got away with it. The ref keep on picking the Cheetah fatties every single time they try to deal with the Brumbie early hit.

The Brumbies was farking lucky and good to see Brussouw dishing out the damage for Jake Whites fetcherless tactic. Hopefull we'll see an improved Cheetah effort this weekend. Goosen surely a classy player. Wont be long before he wear green and gold. Willie le Roux sure also a damaging running but the Cheetahs needs to play him in his right position of fullback or flyhalf. Thats the position he was damaging for Boland. Willem Strauss will be back and he will also make a differense on defense.

 

[suckerforred]

C
Goosen surely a classy player. Wont be long before he wear green and gold.

Playing in SA I am fairly sure that he is not eligible for Wallabies.

 

[cyclopath]

Complete utter rubbish. I dunno if it was the TV signal and the sound not in synch but the Brumbies hit before the engage call all match long and got away with it. The ref keep on picking the Cheetah fatties every single time they try to deal with the Brumbie early hit.

The Brumbies was farking lucky and good to see Brussouw dishing out the damage for Jake Whites fetcherless tactic. Hopefull we'll see an improved Cheetah effort this weekend. Goosen surely a classy player. Wont be long before he wear green and gold. Willie le Roux sure also a damaging running but the Cheetahs needs to play him in his right position of fullback or flyhalf. Thats the position he was damaging for Boland. Willem Strauss will be back and he will also make a differense on defense.

The Cheetahs pack came second best, Paarl. I know it's hard for a diehard SA supporter to acknowledge it, but it was so. There were a few early hits either way, mostly to do with the interminable pause................................ engage routine by the ref, but it was not one way traffic in that department. Otherwise, they were getting pushed around, not binding properly towards the end. Plus they looked completely out on their feet at the end.
Brussouw was awesome to watch, no doubt. He was so good, Jake could have played 2 fetchers and he would have still done them in. What a player.

 

[Newter]

The advanced fitness levels certainly showed in that period as the Brumbies' were allowed to make extra metres with each run...

So many of the Brumbies' players looked really strong in the contact for that period against what was a tiring opposition...

It also helped that the Brumbies tidied up their rucks when Hooper came on.

And how much 'fatter' did a lot of those Cheetahs' forwards look?

I have a feeling it may have been in the game plan. Hold them for 60 minutes then turn up the pace in the last 20 when they're tired. It was a very marked difference in the lead-up to the McCabe try; all of a sudden players in numbers at the ruck and Ian Prior firing passes from the moment each ruck formed.

That McCabe try was the single best team try I've seen from an Aussie team this season. Fast, patient, methodical. If they had a few more strike players in the backline they'd be a title threat.

 

[PaarlBok]

The Cheetahs pack came second best, Paarl. I know it's hard for a diehard SA supporter to acknowledge it, but it was so. There were a few early hits either way, mostly to do with the interminable pause................................ engage routine by the ref, but it was not one way traffic in that department. Otherwise, they were getting pushed around, not binding properly towards the end. Plus they looked completely out on their feet at the end.
Brussouw was awesome to watch, no doubt. He was so good, Jake could have played 2 fetchers and he would have still done them in. What a player.

Maybe Cyc had this one wrong, Like you know, I am no ref basher but this one I had right.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/SANZAR-to-probe-dubious-call-20120312

SANZAR to probe dubious call

2012-03-13 07:43
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Lyndon Bray (File)
Cape Town - A controversial late penalty, which sunk the Cheetahs in their clash against the Brumbies, will be investigated by SANZAR.

The Brumbies won their Super Rugby clash in Canberra 24-23 after centre Christian Lealiifano kicked a penalty after the hooter had sounded.

Referee Chris Brown awarded a dubious penalty to the home side after he felt the Cheetahs deliberately swayed the scrum.

Brown punished the Cheetahs on several occasions, especially at the scrums.

And Lyndon Bray, SANZAR's refereeing boss, told the Beeld newspaper that three scrum specialists - former Bok prop Balie Swart, NZ scrum guru Mike Cron and former Wallaby prop Patricio Noriega - will study that last penalty against the Cheetahs as well as two other calls over the weekend to determine if the right decisions were made.

"Keith may not have been very sharp with the early engagement of the scrums and therefore it wasn't a pretty sight throughout the game.

"But, concerning that last decision, we'll have to determine if the teams firstly scrummed forward and then lawfully swayed the scrum with momentum.

"When it sways immediately without force, it may be unlawful," said Bray.

Bray is currently in South Africa where he is meeting with several local coaches and referees.

 

[barbarian]

Just because they are investigating it doesn't mean it's dodgy Paarl.

 

[Brisbok]

Just because they are investigating it doesn't mean it's dodgy Paarl.

No, it doesn't. Although they wouldn't investigate it if it was clear that there was nothing wrong...

 

[barbarian]

Scrum penalties are rarely ever obvious. I think they are doing the right thing here.

 

[brumsfan]

Probably should ask them to investigate why brumbies didn't get a penalty try, or at least a Cheetahs yellow card when scummaging close to try line and award 3 penalties in a row.
Also the Fardy disallowed try is often allowed, I remember seeing Victor Matfield score in the same way for the Springboks some years ago.
You can go on forever, and depending on your view will find fault. Brumbies certainly suffered more than their fairshare last year.

 

[qwerty51]

There was a breakdown infringement a few rucks earlier anyway. Not releasing the tackled player I think.

 

[cyclopath]

2 points, Paarl:-
1. If you're not a ref basher, why bring it up, if not to question the ref's decision?
2. Whether the final decision was right or wrong, as we all know, in rugby the momentum of the refereeing at scrum time often goes with the more dominant team. I believe the Brumbies were that, in the scrum, for the most part. So when it goes sideways, at the end, after the Cheetahs had been struggling in the scrums to some degree, it seems more likely the decision will go with the Brumbies. Not to mention the fact that the Cheetahs forwards were dying in the arse for the last 15-20 minutes.

 

[Brisbok]

Scrum penalties are rarely ever obvious. I think they are doing the right thing here.

Perhaps that's true and I am often bemused as to how the ref has awarded a penalty to one particular team at scrum time when there is no obvious infringement. I do find it strange that the head of referees would refer to one particular scrum that needs to be investigated when speaking with the media.

For the record, I actually thought that particular penalty was justified, but the 2 or 3 scrum penalties that preceded that one, it appeared to me that the Brumbies had engaged early.

However, as an aside, I don't see the point in the head of referees publicly stating that a ref made the wrong call after a game. IMO those matters should be dealt with internally as there isn't much to be gained after the game. If the individual ref should choose to come out and admit he got one decision wrong, fair play to him.

 

[PaarlBok]

2 points, Paarl:-
1. If you're not a ref basher, why bring it up, if not to question the ref's decision?
2. Whether the final decision was right or wrong, as we all know, in rugby the momentum of the refereeing at scrum time often goes with the more dominant team. I believe the Brumbies were that, in the scrum, for the most part. So when it goes sideways, at the end, after the Cheetahs had been struggling in the scrums to some degree, it seems more likely the decision will go with the Brumbies. Not to mention the fact that the Cheetahs forwards were dying in the arse for the last 15-20 minutes.

Honestly Boet I want the players to adobt to the ref. No way any team can if your opposition scrum gets away with an early hit every single scrum. You sure is right that they were tired in the last 15-20 minutes but its not my point. The ref dont allowed the Tin Ear fatties to try to hit also early. He penalised them and their scrum was on the backfoot waiting for the Brumbie scrum to hit first.

and the Brumbies was vokken lucky to get the win. They look like winning the World Cup when that end whistle went.

 

[cyclopath]

Well, we agree to disagree, in that I don't think the Brumbies were engaging early all game. Both sides tried it a bit, maybe the Brumbies got away with it a bit more, but their scrum was overall better, in my opinion.
The Brumbies were lucky - any team winning at the death are a bit lucky, as there is no margin for error. I agree about that! But I thought the penalty was fair.

 

[RedsHappy]

The 'new black' descriptor for very close 2012 S15 wins right at the death or near to it seems to be an acute abuse of the word 'lucky'.

Here's a dictionary definition of the word 'luck': "...success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions..."

There is nothing 'just by chance' about most if not all of these tight death wins. They typically emanate from a team skilful, gutsy, fitter (mentally or physically) or simply tough enough to eke out a final situation where they legitimately scored more points upon 80 than the other lot, namely they made a win happen. Chance/luck is, for example, a completely random, totally idiotic ref error, or a try being obtained as the chasing tackler gets a sudden spontaneous injury that prevents him stopping the try he otherwise would clearly have stopped, or a freak wind gust blowing an absolutely wayward drop goal suddenly between the posts that never would have occurred otherwise, or such like things.