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[WorkingClassRugger]

Yes, drink bleach… in consultation with your doctor.

But it seems like maybe you didn’t get the mug’s message?

Let’s be honest here - FF (Folau Fainga'a)’s views on this topic, and the very few posters who are sympathetic to them, is completely politically motivated… there’s no scientific reasoning whatsoever.

Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence about his political affiliations if he's spurting this nonsense.

 

[Up the Guts]

Rough summer when Ivectermin is still a topic of conversation, thought it was settled that didn’t work in 2020.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Rough summer when Ivectermin is still a topic of conversation, thought it was settled that didn’t work in 2020.

Interesting article from the Royal Australian
College of General Practitioners, but what is more interesting is the comments below the article.

Have a read of them, they are Doctors after all not randoms on a rugby site and some put their full names to their posts by the looks of it. I presume you do after all have to be a Doctor with a log in and paid membership to post.

A range of views and experiences expressed.

For the pitchfork brigade there are some Doctors to go after on there and get deregistered.

newsGP - Restrictions placed on ivermectin use in general practice

GPs can now only prescribe the drug, which has been touted as a potential COVID cure, for TGA-approved indications.

www1.racgp.org.au

 

[cyclopath]

Interesting article from the Royal Australian
College of General Practitioners, but what is more interesting is the comments below the article.

Have a read of them, they are Doctors after all not randoms on a rugby site and some put their full names to their posts by the looks of it. I presume you do after all have to be a Doctor with a log in and paid membership to post.

A range of views and experiences expressed.

For the pitchfork brigade there are some Doctors to go after on there and get deregistered.

newsGP - Restrictions placed on ivermectin use in general practice

GPs can now only prescribe the drug, which has been touted as a potential COVID cure, for TGA-approved indications.

www1.racgp.org.au

Looks more like a pretty small number of GPs unhappy with their College's oversight, and perhaps political machinations. I guess you'd be shocked to know we don't all line up behind our Colleges with respect to everything they say and do. Hard to really draw any conclusions from such a sample as to the broader cross-section.
You seem to have a beef in some way with the medical profession, based on your posting. Maybe I read it incorrectly.
It's like any profession - mostly good people and some bad eggs (mostly over-chargers) and fringe-dwellers. Not sure why anyone would expect otherwise.

 

[Tex]

Interesting comments section to that RACGP piece. Diverse views.

For what it's worth, I thought most of the joking about 'horse paste' was directed at the tinfoil brigade who are self-dosing with agricultural ivermectin. If a GP told me it was a well founded therapy for my covid infection, I'd believe them. But when you've got GP clinics or pharmacies openly advertising $85 ivermectin consultations, per that article, you've got a problem.

It's putting the cart before the horse paste.

 

[formerflanker]

Planet FREEDOM!!!

Many a true word is spoken in jest. Good call.

 

[formerflanker]

Very good piece which puts the "vaccines don't work, the vaccinated still die" cabal into context. Read here: https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...ould-use-to-fight-anti-vaccine-misinformation

Surely even the journos at the Guardian can see that raw numbers are important.
Yesterday , 88% of the sad deaths of people with covid in NSW were fully and triply vaccinated.
Of the 27 people who died all were over 60.
Of the four people who died who were aged under 65, all had significant underlying health conditions.
The raw numbers need to be read and understood by the community who are considering boosters.

Premiers and CHOs used to say vaccinations would prevent the spread of covid. That was false.
Now they are saying vaxxes will reduce the individual's chance of serious or terminal illness from covid.
Never did they emphasise that death can still come to the fully vaccinated.

Withholding information can't help informed decision making.

 

[Tex]

Surely even the journos at the Guardian can see that raw numbers are important.
Yesterday , 88% of the sad deaths of people with covid in NSW were fully and triply vaccinated.
Of the 27 people who died all were over 60.
Of the four people who died who were aged under 65, all had significant underlying health conditions.
The raw numbers need to be read and understood by the community who are considering boosters.

Premiers and CHOs used to say vaccinations would prevent the spread of covid. That was false.
Now they are saying vaxxes will reduce the individual's chance of serious or terminal illness from covid.
Never did they emphasise that death can still come to the fully vaccinated.

Withholding information can't help informed decision making.

Comments made in Scenarios "Alpha" and "Delta".

Circumstances change and we now find ourselves in Scenario "Omicron".

Different scenarios.

Different parameters.

Why do you suggest comments made in Scenarios Alpha and Delta are somehow misleading when taken out of context and applied to Scenario Omicron?

Do you not understand why you are mixing apples and oranges? Or are you willingly trolling?

 

[formerflanker]

On what planet do patients presenting to hospital for treatment get to choose which medications the doctors give them?

What medications are available?
The 4 monoclonal antibody therapies are new.
Antiviral medications are not yet approved in Australia (one of which has been dismissed by the WHO).
It appears that taking Ivermectin is as much a gamble as any of the approved medications.
And that's just for the hospitalised patients. There are many Australians who are simply sent home to monitor themselves and they should be given the opportunity to fight the disease their way.

 

[Lindommer]

Here's a very readable paper on ivermectin for those of us who aren't academics or medicos. See here: https://www.cochrane.org/news/ivermectin-cochranes-most-talked-about-review-so-far-ever-why

 

[Kenny Powers]

Looks more like a pretty small number of GPs unhappy with their College's oversight, and perhaps political machinations. I guess you'd be shocked to know we don't all line up behind our Colleges with respect to everything they say and do. Hard to really draw any conclusions from such a sample as to the broader cross-section.
You seem to have a beef in some way with the medical profession, based on your posting. Maybe I read it incorrectly.
It's like any profession - mostly good people and some bad eggs (mostly over-chargers) and fringe-dwellers. Not sure why anyone would expect otherwise.

The post was more about the hysterics of some posters when it comes to Ivermectin. FF (Folau Fainga'a)’s comments were around you should be able to have a discussion with your Doctor/GP about it and not have the Government restricting its prescription in the manner it has. A not unreasonable position it is after all prescription drug and if a Doctor does or does not prescribe it they will provide their reasons for doing so. A view supported by some Doctors in the blog section of the article. Personally don’t know that I would ask the question until such time as there is a bit more evidence of any benefit. My comments about deregistering Doctors was a facetious comment directed at the posters who carry one as if Ivermectin is only talked about by hill billies who buy it at the local agricultural store.

Dr John Campbell also did a bit of analysis of the Australian decision thinking it also rather unusual.

I don’t have a beef with Medical Professionals just about all Doctors I have ever met good people, good advice and above all they educate you answer you questions and give their opinions, pros, cons etc as things are not always clear cut.

I do have a beef with the Medical Industry the two things I can’t get my mind around are why you have to get an annual referral for condition that isn’t going away and why we can’t training enough specialists in Australia - wait times for appointments. It just seems really inefficient and a waste of everyone’s time.

We have discussed this in the past don’t feel it has been a wasted discussion because you made a good comment that GP’s often refer you to Specialist that they are familiar with and that you can ask for a referral to another Specialists if wait times are long or you don’t warm to them. It’s a good bit of advice I didn’t know previously.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

The post was more about the hysterics of some posters when it comes to Ivermectin. FF (Folau Fainga'a)’s comments were around you should be able to have a discussion with your Doctor/GP about it and not have the Government restricting its prescription in the manner it has. A not unreasonable position it is after all prescription drug and if a Doctor does or does not prescribe it they will provide their reasons for doing so. A view supported by some Doctors in the blog section of the article. Personally don’t know that I would ask the question until such time as there is a bit more evidence of any benefit. My comments about deregistering Doctors was a facetious comment directed at the posters who carry one as if Ivermectin is only talked about by hill billies who buy it at the local agricultural store.

Dr John Campbell also did a bit of analysis of the Australian decision thinking it also rather unusual.

I don’t have a beef with Medical Professionals just about all Doctors I have ever met good people, good advice and above all they educate you answer you questions and give their opinions, pros, cons etc as things are not always clear cut.

I do have a beef with the Medical Industry the two things I can’t get my mind around are why you have to get an annual referral for condition that isn’t going away and why we can’t training enough specialists in Australia - wait times for appointments. It just seems really inefficient and a waste of everyone’s time.

We have discussed this in the past don’t feel it has been a wasted discussion because you made a good comment that GP’s often refer you to Specialist that they are familiar with and that you can ask for a referral to another Specialists if wait times are long or you don’t warm to them. It’s a good bit of advice I didn’t know previously.

I respect his experience but the man was a Nursing educator and not an MD. Has a PhD but not in any relevant scientific field. Not the best source of information.

 

[cyclopath]

The post was more about the hysterics of some posters when it comes to Ivermectin. FF (Folau Fainga'a)’s comments were around you should be able to have a discussion with your Doctor/GP about it and not have the Government restricting its prescription in the manner it has. A not unreasonable position it is after all prescription drug and if a Doctor does or does not prescribe it they will provide their reasons for doing so. A view supported by some Doctors in the blog section of the article. Personally don’t know that I would ask the question until such time as there is a bit more evidence of any benefit. My comments about deregistering Doctors was a facetious comment directed at the posters who carry one as if Ivermectin is only talked about by hill billies who buy it at the local agricultural store.

Dr John Campbell also did a bit of analysis of the Australian decision thinking it also rather unusual.

I don’t have a beef with Medical Professionals just about all Doctors I have ever met good people, good advice and above all they educate you answer you questions and give their opinions, pros, cons etc as things are not always clear cut.

I do have a beef with the Medical Industry the two things I can’t get my mind around are why you have to get an annual referral for condition that isn’t going away and why we can’t training enough specialists in Australia - wait times for appointments. It just seems really inefficient and a waste of everyone’s time.

We have discussed this in the past don’t feel it has been a wasted discussion because you made a good comment that GP’s often refer you to Specialist that they are familiar with and that you can ask for a referral to another Specialists if wait times are long or you don’t warm to them. It’s a good bit of advice I didn’t know previously.

Fair enough. There is not as much of a shortage of specialists as they like to make out. The issue is that of positions available at public hospitals (they are limited by the State health departments) and funding of actual operating sessions at public hospitals, when it comes to surgery. The old "6 month wait to see a specialist" is very rubbery. I know plenty of surgeons in my specialty and others whose staff just quote that to patients with conditions they don't really want to see. It reinforces the image that the surgeon must be really good to be in high demand, and the patient should be really happy to be seeing them at all. Sad, but true. Not to mention the screening of public v private patients. Most public hospitals have eliminated or severely stripped back Outpatient clinics too (saves money). Also, patients can request an indefinite referral to a specialist if they like. Many GPs don't like it as it means the patient has to come back periodically to get a new one which means a consult fee. Yes, it's a cynical system.

As for Ivermectin, given the Cochrane review (highly respected group, by the way) it would be essentially negligent for any doctor to prescribe it for COVID, given the lack of any quality evidence to its efficacy for that indication. Now, if the patient has scabies that needs a touch up.........

 

[Brumby Runner]

My GP here in Canberra has provided me with ongoing (indefinite) referrals to each of a heart specialist, a skin specialist and a urologist. Only the Urologist has accepted it. The others want annual referrals.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I've been through this with my boy recently. One specialist said they would only accept referrals from another specialist for three months! But from my son's GP twelve months was considered OK. WTF?

 

[Pfitzy]

It's like any profession - mostly good people and some bad eggs (mostly over-chargers) and fringe-dwellers. Not sure why anyone would expect otherwise.

And you're always going to get a few egotists on any side taking a position against someone they dislike

That's what makes the climate change debate so compelling: the vast majority of scientists in the field agree, and scientists LOVE to disagree.

 

[Pfitzy]

Brumby Jack says "Ivermectin never did me any harm! Get it now!"

 

[Braveheart81]

Then Brumby Jack took the Ivermectin.

 

[Sully]

 

[Sully]

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