COVID-19 Stuff Here
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
What I wanna know is, where does "treated with ivermectin in consultation with their doctor" sit?
I guess there wasn't really a vaccine a year ago.
I think it's pretty close to 'unvaccinated'.
That's mandated by Medicare. Don't know why but as a specialist, I can only provide a referral valid for 3 months to another specialist.
I suspect the others want annual referrals so they can justify classifying your visit with a new referral as "new patient". Better rebate, if they are bulk-billing you.
And yes, I am cynical.
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Chuds: "I'm not taking that vaccine as there hasn't been enough time to see if it is effective, or there are harmful side effects. Not enough data!"
Also chuds: "Horse dewormer definitely works based on 5 doctors and a fat, failed, ex-furniture salesman saying so."
Also also chuds: (post dose)
See also: Andrew Wakefield.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
WCR, I have hesitated in responding to this, please don't take it as being aggressive. I understand your thinking here, and I don't agree. A PHD in nursing education should strongly provide authority to an individual talking about a pandemic, IMO. Not the same authority as say, a PHD in viral or molecular biology with a specialisation in research of the the virus in concern. But still a relevant authority. We should respect our nurses. Apologies for the contrarian view.
Of course, at face value deserving respect, doesn't necessarily make him right. I can't be bothered to chase down every rabbit hole and rat burrow that the anti-vaxers spew out, so I have only gone so far here.
What bothered me with Campbell, is a subtle and understated view to the stronger evidence that doesn't support his narrative, but it's there making the critical thinkers back off his presentation for a bit. In this item he completely gets arse-betwixt on a drug proposed for a novel treatment and demanding ATAGI provide evidence as to it's efficacy. Or otherwise. That is not the job of ATAGI. It's the job of whoever is putting the drug forward for the novel application. ATAGI is responsible for adjudicating on claimed efficacy of products put before it. In this case they seem to be responding to the outrageous thrust behind "denying" Ivermectin in this novel treatment.
There is a claim that Ivermectin is safe. Which it is for it's intended use. With the proposed alternative use, at the dosages being reported - it is not. It is a basic statement by ATAGI. It is really not complex or hard to fathom. At all.
SO Campbell implies a scientific approach while really not doing science, but doing plenty of politics that seems to target support from the anti-vaxers.
Anyway, if it is OK for KP to drop in a "summary view" video following a narrative, then here is mine. About this very bloke, by another PHD. I'm with the second guy. Not Campbell.
PS If the manufacturers of Ivermectin run the tests and show sufficiently positive results to be able to put a half way positive case in front of ATAGI. And ATAGI agree - I'll take the fricken drug myself. For now, it's a horse wormer.
PPS Do you see the "paintings" on the wall on the guys left hand side? Look a little bit like Australian Indigenous art? They are actually molecular level studies of a virus. Virus's are beautiful. Seriously, just beautiful.
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Tim Horan (67)
Far out Sully. Thoughts with you and your mate, that is rough.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
That's bizarre mate and the clinic couldn't explain it either.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Looks like NZ's re-opening plan will be:
From 27 Feb NZ citizens from Australia (double-vaxxed & negative PCR required) can skip MIQ
From 13 March citizens from elsewhere can skip MIQ
From April non-citizens with certain visas (students, essential workers etc)
From July non-citizens from visa waiver countries e.g. Australia, US, UK
From October non-citizens from elsewhere
I really didn't think they'd be able to hold off beyond Easter given the current pushback wrt MIQ in particular.
So latter parts of SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) will have to be Australia-based.
From 27 Feb NZ citizens from Australia (double-vaxxed & negative PCR required) can skip MIQ
From 13 March citizens from elsewhere can skip MIQ
From April non-citizens with certain visas (students, essential workers etc)
From July non-citizens from visa waiver countries e.g. Australia, US, UK
From October non-citizens from elsewhere
I really didn't think they'd be able to hold off beyond Easter given the current pushback wrt MIQ in particular.
So latter parts of SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) will have to be Australia-based.
Rob42
John Solomon (38)
Thanks for the summary WOB - July is still a long way away for those of us who travel to NZ for work, but at least there's a plan.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
Maybe a Spring trip then....
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Fucking hell that's conservative.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
^ yep, given how fast public opinion has turned against MIQ since the first re-opening plan was shelved in December I thought it'd be gone altogether by Easter & given how prevalent Omicron is expected to become I thought self-isolation wouldn't last much beyond that. Maybe things might've been different had this been an election year.
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Might still change once Omicron kicks off.
Border control makes less sense when you have 10k+ cases a day.
This is the problem now. Young people, particularly those that are vaccinated are incredibly low risk of severe illness from COVID.
Old people, regardless of how many vaccinations they have will never be at the sort of risk levels that make getting COVID a low risk proposition.
The lack of urgency around providing booster doses in aged care is a disgrace. Likewise, we need to work out better ways to protect aged care facilities from outbreaks. COVID is endemic now and cases will ebb and flow but it will always be there.
Hopefully it leads to the realisation that aged care work needs to be better paid and less casualised. It is very hard to protect aged care facilities if a large percentage of their workforces are casual/part time working across a number of facilities and industries.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
Might well be the case Cyclo, as the Urologist charges way above the prescribed Medicare rate. No need to classify me as a new patient because he gets his full fee out of me.
Tex
Greg Davis (50)
Sorry to hear it mate. I think what gets lost in the qualifications about older people dying from COVID is that it's often a lonely isolated death, which is heartbreaking. We're all going to die and sometimes the best we can hope for is having loved ones around us. COVID has denied many people that gentle exit and has made grief commensurately harsher as a result.