agreed there should be more suspended, so the system clearly needs improving, clearer rules, more consistency
but they got it right with Cooper's suspension, a week is fair for what was done.
How long will Quade get?
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agreed there should be more suspended, so the system clearly needs improving, clearer rules, more consistency
but they got it right with Cooper's suspension, a week is fair for what was done.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I saw Boy and Bear at the Coolie recently. Ironically I am sure they do use banjos (although they are not from Qld).
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Love banjo music and think my sister is beautiful - Qld is a wonderful place and upon death we will all sit on the right hand side of the Lord
I'm done on this thread
I'm done on this thread
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Tim Horan (67)
I am not sure why we have got so many pages over a week suspension, I guarantee almost any contact sport you will get people whining that they don't think there is a level playing field re foul play. Hell I stopped buying papers here because I was so sick of seeing how hard Qld first and Aus secondly was done by refs/judicial boards/governing bodies in any sport, and not saying it doesn't happen in NZ. I actually agree with Brue, if you that bloody upset go and become a ref etc, and teach the up and comers how to ref etc properly. The one thing I have tended to find with rugby (only sport I really follow) is that most people doing the loudest yelling are people with very limited knowledge of laws of game.
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David Codey (61)
That is the biggest issue - by and large it is still in each refs hands, and it is difficult for them to pick up everything while they referee a very complicated game.
It seems that only incidents that were picked up by refs are the ones that get cited. I think the white card is a good idea, however there no looks to be a big focus on white card incidences while others don't he the same scrutiny in review.
It may even be that sanzar just doesn't have the resources to review and process every incident, however there just doesn't appear to be enough reviewing of games to check for issues. The inconsistency of what gets picked up and what doesn't leads me to believe that games aren't reviewed on replay at all. This would be the simplest place to start - one reviewer from each country watches all games and if 2 out of 3 decide an incident should be cited, then it goes further.
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Bill McLean (32)
Bru, you say that change needs to start from the ground up, but then cite the IRBs success with spear tackles which is very much top down.
In my experience, the sort of reform we're talking about here MUST be top down. The process we're discussing is an adjudication process, effectively a judicial one. Input from referees from Junior ranks is utterly irrelevant. It has to come from those that run the game. Clearly the current system is inadequate and yields massively inconsistent and unjust results. The first step is to acknowledge there is a problem. Then, and only then, can they take steps toward a solution.
The reason this thread has grown long is because the issue being addressed has gone beyond one incident. This thread isn't about Quade anymore, clearly.
In my experience, the sort of reform we're talking about here MUST be top down. The process we're discussing is an adjudication process, effectively a judicial one. Input from referees from Junior ranks is utterly irrelevant. It has to come from those that run the game. Clearly the current system is inadequate and yields massively inconsistent and unjust results. The first step is to acknowledge there is a problem. Then, and only then, can they take steps toward a solution.
The reason this thread has grown long is because the issue being addressed has gone beyond one incident. This thread isn't about Quade anymore, clearly.
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John Solomon (38)
Whenever I'm in Sydney everyone looks like an X-Factor contestant.
I do actually want to buy a banjo, and a ukelele, and cut 3 strings off my guitar like Seasick Steve.
I do actually want to buy a banjo, and a ukelele, and cut 3 strings off my guitar like Seasick Steve.
I am of the understanding that in addition the the referee recommending judicial review via the white card, every SANZAR games is reviewed by a Citing Commissioner for acts not picked up by the match officials, AND there is an opportunity for respective Team Management to lay a complaint for the Citing Commissioner to review. IIRC this is 48 hours after the match.
If I am correct (and there is no guarantee of that), then there are two other options for the Elstadt tackle (and any other acts by any other player) to come before the judiciary: a citing by the Citing Commissioner, or a citing from their opponents Team Management.
If I am correct (and there is no guarantee of that), then there are two other options for the Elstadt tackle (and any other acts by any other player) to come before the judiciary: a citing by the Citing Commissioner, or a citing from their opponents Team Management.
I think the moderators would prefer that discussion on the relative merits of banjo playing were covered on the "Your Latest Musical Find" thread in the Everything Else Forum.
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David Codey (61)
You can't rely on other teams. That would definitely not be a consistent result.
As far as the citing commissioner reviewing each game - I find it hard to believe that they are doing this properly. Or if they are doing it, maybe they have some sort of limit per week (don't want to have too many hearings).
In general, teams will only make complaints about other teams for cases of really foul play such as eye gouging.
Teams are never going to make a complaint about a high tackle because most teams won't want to create a situation where every team is trying to get every other team's player suspended.
It also doesn't really benefit your team to have someone from the opposition suspended. It only benefits the teams that get to face that team whilst the player is suspended.
Teams are never going to make a complaint about a high tackle because most teams won't want to create a situation where every team is trying to get every other team's player suspended.
It also doesn't really benefit your team to have someone from the opposition suspended. It only benefits the teams that get to face that team whilst the player is suspended.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Or get yourself some 2x4 timber,soup can,one string and a pick up and your have yourself a Diddley Bo. Cheaper.
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I have absolutely nothing to say, so I thought I would say it here.
This is the place where conversations go to die, isn't it?
This is the place where conversations go to die, isn't it?
biggsy
Chilla Wilson (44)
Dependedson what you want talk about, if it was about QC (Quade Cooper) that finished on page 2. If its dribble your atfter this is the right thread.
I think it's time for Barnes to call it quits, if that tackle sent him slightly concussed. He is on the right track for a early grave.
I think it's time for Barnes to call it quits, if that tackle sent him slightly concussed. He is on the right track for a early grave.
It is not compulsary to read everything on these boards. If you have no further interest in a thread because you think it has died, then exercise your democratic right to not follow the thread anymore. Job done.
One of the attractions of gaggerland is that threads frequently meander around in and out of topic as the posters follow the "conversation".
I am sure that the Gaggerland Defence Force (aka Moderators) will close the thread when they feel that it is no longer useful.
Meanwhile feel free to wang on.
Regarding Barnes and his propensity for concussions, it must be an issue playing on his mind and those of his medical advisors. There is ample evidence that repeated concussions is not good. Elton Flatley and Steve Devine have both ended their playing careers earlier than usual on account of this.
One of the attractions of gaggerland is that threads frequently meander around in and out of topic as the posters follow the "conversation".
I am sure that the Gaggerland Defence Force (aka Moderators) will close the thread when they feel that it is no longer useful.
Meanwhile feel free to wang on.
Regarding Barnes and his propensity for concussions, it must be an issue playing on his mind and those of his medical advisors. There is ample evidence that repeated concussions is not good. Elton Flatley and Steve Devine have both ended their playing careers earlier than usual on account of this.
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For those who didn't see the tackle
For Bruwheresmycar, I contacted SANZAR last year to express my dismay at Bryce Lawrence adjudicating the Red v Crusaders final. To his credit Lyndon Bray himself ( a Kiwi ) emailed back APOLOGISING and stating that more Aussie refs were due for this year. Excluding Walsh ( & I always do ) we have 2 OZ refs that officiated in a handful of games.
Surprise, Surprise....2 SAF refs for this weekend! Is the AR in SANZAR a code for being pusillanimous and sackless?
For this thread, an appeal by QRU would be just like yet another false crest on Heartbreak Hill in the annual City to Surf Run - plenty more to go.
BTW Do QRU still "own" the Reds or have they followed the NSW model of establishing the Reds as a seperate business entity in their own right with their own Board etc?
BTW Do QRU still "own" the Reds or have they followed the NSW model of establishing the Reds as a seperate business entity in their own right with their own Board etc?
The QRU still own and operate the Reds
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Just thinking about your analogy to speeding tickets. (At least I think it was yours).
It doesn't really work very well, because it in the rugby side we have video evidence of each offense, where as in the speeding side, we don't. The analogy would be if two people got caught by the same speeding camera, but for some reason one got off.
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