NSW AAGPS 2022

[wyvernboy]

Hi OlderSlower

Agree with your thoughts.
Rugboy is correct in saying that up to school reps, it should be open for all boys. But "we" is RA and the limited resources ( money ) they have can't be invested in kids that will ultimately choose to play league, therefore their rep places should be offered to kids that stay in union. The door should always stay open to the kids that play league.
RA should def consider selling the world opportunity's that union provides. As mentioned, links with overseas clubs, uni scholarships or work opportunities should be offered to the top x number of kids ( 15 ?) and hopefully that can persuade a few to stay playing union after school.

Wyvernboy

 

[Snowy Mountains]

Appeasement never works in any course of life. The names you mention above were mostly all given a lot of opportunity, they took it, they left, they won’t come back unless it is purely monetary. Rugby Australia must focus on the kids who want to play and get better at selling the dream of what the opportunity really is in a world game. Long term union is far more rewarding and enriching but not everyone will see that if their world view is shaped by local player “managers”. No doubt NRL offers superior short term early career development and money. The gap can be bridged by thinking cleverly about how to leverage clubs in Europe in particular but also Japan, possibly even local and offshore universities with combined play and learn scholarships to offer a compelling alternative.

Well said. The opportunity to study and play abroad is one that needs to be considered.

 

[wyvernboy]

BTW,
Opened the Sunday Tele looking for a write up about the Wallabies v England game and found NOTHING. Not sure if I missed it. Did anyone see anything ? The coverage was very poor considering it was an international.

Wyvernboy

 

[The Front Rower]

Having worked for a couple of NRL clubs (but a rugby background, played for a Joeys) there is nothing that can be done, NRL has the financial superiority. Union needs to be centre stage on free to air in prime time to secure $$$$. Kids want $$$$

You are so spot on. NRL has weekly 4 free to air TV matches, plus every game on Fox. NRL 360, the fan and late show with Matty Johns which boosts the profile of the NRL. Worst mistake ever made was by Rayleen Castle not going with Fox $30 million offer! now the Union is on a back water channel Stan. Their is little or no publicity around Super rugby. What I would propose is somehow get back onto Fox, have a few mid week talk shows to keep the discussions up. In addition get the Shute shield back on free to air TV. In addition every week put on TV one schoolboy match on ABC TV either CAS or GPS doesn't matter pick the game of the round.

 

[The Front Rower]

I heard that this year the Gen Blue/NSWJRU are taking a stand against the kids who have signed junior NRL contracts which are Woods, Conti and Bartlett. I do understand both sides of the fence however I do feel that on many occasions Union never fight for the kids and just roll over. I have seen this on many occasions whereby Union have not tried to keep the kids in the game and have just let whatever the NRL offers rule. Union does offer lot more opportunities to play overseas and also what happens after rugby is a big thing as well, all these need to be promoted and the kids who are "dual path" need to be worked with not completely dropped from NSWJRU squads which is what has occurred here. Its basic laziness and entitlement of the management of the NSWJRU and unfortunately the kids are lost to Union forever. Their is a huge list and it keeps growing and growing.

So the NRL contracted kids have been dropped cold by the Gen Blue system and the leader. I know for a fact that Finnlay Bartlett is still in the SRU (Scottish Rugby Union) Exiles/Scottish qualified system. This suggests to me he hasn't 100% turned his back on Union completely even though he has a contract with the Sea Eagles. What this suggests to me instead of the NSWJRU having a conversation with the kid they have stuck their heads in the sand and gone completely cold and defensive. Maybe this is why the junior Wallabies were absolutely belted the other day 69-12. We can blame Cov etc but the reality is NZ had Cov as well. This suggests to me that the system is completely broken. When was the last time we won the Bledsoe Cup (1984) some 38 years ago and probably given the current pathways systems another 38 years. Here's a suggestion to the Pathways management go and have a conversation with these kids and bring in the families see where they are at, see what options you can provide them and then go from there, pretty simple stuff. Who know one day Finnlay might be running out at Murrayfield pulling on the Blue Scottish jersey.

 

[rugboy]

RA has been hit and miss with its retention of talented youngsters over the years under various leadership. They had had a fighting fund at stages that kept the likes of Angus Bell and Will Harris in the sport despite serious competition from league, then there was the unbelievable stuff up with Crichton where they told him that he wouldn't play Super for 5 years post-school so he shot through to the NRL instead. Playing devil's advocate Cameron Murray for instance was never playing rugby post-school so hard to judge RA based on that. IMO each Super club should have a mandated 2 positions for school leavers to train full-time post-school. That's 10 positions, if it was say 50k half funded by RA and half by the club that's 50k per super club and 250k for RA, to keep the top 10 kids in the game. NRL clubs have development contracts, same deal full time training, theirs are 60k and can play in the NRL from mid season.

 

[AroundTheAnkles]

So the NRL contracted kids have been dropped cold by the Gen Blue system and the leader. I know for a fact that Finnlay Bartlett is still in the SRU (Scottish Rugby Union) Exiles/Scottish qualified system. This suggests to me he hasn't 100% turned his back on Union completely even though he has a contract with the Sea Eagles. What this suggests to me instead of the NSWJRU having a conversation with the kid they have stuck their heads in the sand and gone completely cold and defensive. Maybe this is why the junior Wallabies were absolutely belted the other day 69-12. We can blame Cov etc but the reality is NZ had Cov as well. This suggests to me that the system is completely broken. When was the last time we won the Bledsoe Cup (1984) some 38 years ago and probably given the current pathways systems another 38 years. Here's a suggestion to the Pathways management go and have a conversation with these kids and bring in the families see where they are at, see what options you can provide them and then go from there, pretty simple stuff. Who know one day Finnlay might be running out at Murrayfield pulling on the Blue Scottish jersey.

It has been a while since we won the Bledisloe but not quite as long you say…. Anywho. A single U20’s game doesn’t indicate the pathways are broken. We have had considerable success at U20’s world cups over the past decade. That said, I think there are a lot of improvements that can be made to retain kids, pandering to kids who are just playing union off against league to bolster their league deal isn’t one of them though. BTW, it would seem probable that whatever this Scottish exiles thing you mention is, it isn’t paying anything to develop Bartlett, they are just monitoring him to take advantage if RA or the NRL drop the ball or don’t get him first.

 

[Greenwhiteblack]

So the NRL contracted kids have been dropped cold by the Gen Blue system and the leader. I know for a fact that Finnlay Bartlett is still in the SRU (Scottish Rugby Union) Exiles/Scottish qualified system. This suggests to me he hasn't 100% turned his back on Union completely even though he has a contract with the Sea Eagles. What this suggests to me instead of the NSWJRU having a conversation with the kid they have stuck their heads in the sand and gone completely cold and defensive. Maybe this is why the junior Wallabies were absolutely belted the other day 69-12. We can blame Cov etc but the reality is NZ had Cov as well. This suggests to me that the system is completely broken. When was the last time we won the Bledsoe Cup (1984) some 38 years ago and probably given the current pathways systems another 38 years. Here's a suggestion to the Pathways management go and have a conversation with these kids and bring in the families see where they are at, see what options you can provide them and then go from there, pretty simple stuff. Who know one day Finnlay might be running out at Murrayfield pulling on the Blue Scottish jersey.

settle down we last won the Bledisloe in 2002...

 

[The Front Rower]

settle down we last won the Bledisloe in 2002...

20 years. I would love us to win it more often as most wallabies supporters.

 

[AroundTheAnkles]

Was this boy dropped cold for signing with Manly or simply not picked? A thread earlier suggests that many of the U16 boys have signed with league clubs and still chosen for City, Schools or Country?

I think there is more to it. The schools teams including NSW haven’t discriminated, only at Gen Blue and above has there been any differentiation which seems perfectly fair and reasonable.

 

[rugboy]

Was this boy dropped cold for signing with Manly or simply not picked? A thread earlier suggests that many of the U16 boys have signed with league clubs and still chosen for City, Schools or Country?

I posted earlier that Mclean (Penrith) and Tovio (Souths) were chosen in the 1s. Fittler and Rodwell (Roosters) were chosen in the 2s. So I don't believe his non-selection was related to a league contract.

 

[AroundTheAnkles]

As a Spectator and Supporter of the U16s Regionals last weekend at the Easts Rugby Club, i was able to witness an amazing first half of the Sydney Juniors team over NSW Schools 2, in the first half the dominate performance came from the Sydney forwards especially at set piece (SCRUMS) The amount of penalties against the NSW schools 2 team especially on the tight head side was horridness never scene a player so out of place in this rep level.

Judging by your spelling and grammar it would appear you are an expert on front row play.

 

[Lindommer]

Bit tough on props there, OS. You'd better hope Nutta doesn't read your post.

 

[Joker]

The 2022 Australian Schoolboys A Team Announced. The team will tour Japan late September.

 

[Joker]

SUGARMAN/MCLEAN AWARD WINNERS – BOYS​

AWARDED TO BEST TEAM PLAYERS

 

[Joker]

RUPA AWARD WINNERS – BOYS & GIRLS​

AWARDED TO THE BEST PLAYER IN EACH CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL

 

[Rudderless]

The 2022 Australian Schoolboys A Team Announced. The team will tour Japan late September.

View attachment 14078

4 from QLD
4 from ACT
19 from NSW

Jersey #	Name	Team	School
1	William McKinnon	NSW 1	Knox Grammar School
2	Jakeb Horne	QLD 2	Brisbane State High School
3	Peniata Jnr Poutasi	QLD 1	Keebra Park State High School
4	Sebastian Bush	NSW 1	Northern Beaches Secondary College
5	Wil Taylor	NSW 1	St Stanislaus College
6	Darcy Fogarty	NSW 2	St Joseph’s College Hunters Hill
7	Harry Davis	NSW 1	The Scots College
8	Luron Patea	NSW BB	Hills Sports High School
9	Nick Lamming	NSW 1	St Ignatius College Riverview
10	Andrew McFarlane	ACT	St Edmunds College
11	Will Perkins	NSW 1	St Ignatius College Riverview
12	Leo Bassingwaighte	NSW 1	Shore School
13	Riley Langfield	NSW 1	St Stanislaus College
14	Finn Lawson	QLD 1	Mountain Creek State High School
15	Shane Wilcox	ACT	St Edmunds College
16	Sam Bourgeois	NSW 2	Knox Grammar School
17	Ky Pule	NSW 1	Waverley College
18	Will Goddard	NSW 1	Knox Grammar School
19	Pat Isles	ACT	Marist College Canberra
20	Darcey Bush	ACT	Daramalan College
21	TJ Herring	NSW 2	Northern Beaches Secondary College
22	Manus Bailey	NSW 1	St Aloysius College
23	Samu Tuisau	NSW J	SEDA College
24	Miracle Tangata	QLD 1	King’s Christian College
25	Jay Ingleton	NSW 1	Oakhill College
26	Ben Park	NSW BB	Kotara High School
27	Harrison Darling	NSW 1	St Joseph’s College Hunters Hill

Manager	John Guy		Hunter Valley Grammar School
Head Coach	Mark Moxon		Ignatius Park College
Assistant Coach	Ben McGee		Daramalan College
Physiotherapist	Narelle Veverka		Hornsby Physiotherapy

 

[KOB1987]

Was this boy dropped cold for signing with Manly or simply not picked? A thread earlier suggests that many of the U16 boys have signed with league clubs and still chosen for City, Schools or Country?

He withdrew himself from both pathways. Infer from that what you wish.

 

[View2024prems]

Correct me if I am wrong,

But the Australian Schoolboys A team is kind of like our b team for schoolboys and the Australian schools & 18 team is our A team.

And if you play in ASRU Champships you can only be selected in Australian Schoolboys A, and not in Australian schools, only members of gen blue and the other academy teams can be in that team.

Why is it like this? Why is it such a confusing pathway? Was it always like this or has the implemented a couple of years ago?

 

[AroundTheAnkles]

Correct me if I am wrong,

But the Australian Schoolboys A team is kind of like our b team for schoolboys and the Australian schools & 18 team is our A team.

And if you play in ASRU Champships you can only be selected in Australian Schoolboys A, and not in Australian schools, only members of gen blue and the other academy teams can be in that team.

Why is it like this? Why is it such a confusing pathway? Was it always like this or has the implemented a couple of years ago?

You are correct, as for the reason why, I think it is an egotistical standoff between the schools and RA regarding funding and control. One of the many things to fix in order to get pathways right. At the moment the top 50 approximately NSW players and I assume similar numbers from other states aren’t eligible for schools A, greatly reducing the value of such a jersey and honour. I think the schools and u18 concept is more relevant globally and hence why RA wants to go that way.