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Wallabies 2023

Tomthumb

Colin Windon (37)
I heard today that the existing players are not at all happy about the 1.6 million deal. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost a lot to overseas. They can make much more money overseas than the pay cuts they have had during covid and just generally ridiculously lower pay. Just stating facts, don’t come for me.
Maybe they should put their frustrations into winning games of rugby so they don't have to buy players
 

emuarse

Desmond Connor (43)
JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) is not a test quality 10. He has shown glimpses at Super Rugby level and has gone well in a number of positions at test level but 10 is not one of them. I would have Tom Lynagh starting ahead of him every day of the week at the Reds.
I am a fan and have watched JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) throughout his career But he is not ‘the guy’.
QC (Quade Cooper) (Quade Cooper) will be picked if fit and I would guess that the other two spots will go to Bernard Foley and one of Lolesio, Carter Gordon or Ben Donaldson.
They may just have Hodge as a third option? If OS spots are tight then Hodge definitely becomes the 3rd 10.
IMHO, Hodge will be an overall backs utility player. I think they will take 3 flyhalves in the RWC squad.
As the Super season goes on, this will sort itself out.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Interesting that Foley has disappeared from view. Mind you I would not pick him, I have no idea whether he is still playing.

He's the starting 10 for the Kubota Spears who are leading one of the two Top League conferences in Japan. They're 11-1-1 for the season so far.

I don't think he'll ultimately make the RWC squad but I think there's a pretty good chance he gets brought back for one of the camps so Jones can see where he is at.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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You would think, if we are being realistic, Jones will want Cooper and either JOC (James O'Connor) or Foley in the RWC squad with a third option from the Kids

If Cooper goes down, you don't want to rely on a kid to start a RWC major game. But post RWC, they will all be up for consideration and we can complain about whoever is chosen
 
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RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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You would think, if we are being realistic, Jones will want Cooper and either JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) or Foley in the RWC squad with a third option from the Kids

If Cooper goes down, you don't want to rely on a kid to start a RWC major game. But post RWC, they will all be up for consideration and we can complain about whoever is chosen

like Berrick Barnes in 2007
 

whitefalcon

Bob Loudon (25)
Strongest Available Wallabies 33 Man Squad for RWC 23: (Hopefully Giteau law is scrapped for WC year or at least up to 6-8 picks)

Props (6) - James Slipper, Angus Bell, Scott Sio, Allan Ala'alatoa, Taniela Topou, Pone faamausili

Hookers (3) - Brandon Paenga Amosa, Dave Porecki, Lachlan Lonergan

Second Row (4) - Will Skelton, Izack Rodda, Nick Frost, Matt Phillip

Backrowers (5) - Jed Holloway, Rob Leota, Michael Hooper, Rob Valentini, Pete Samu

Halfbacks (3) - Nic White, Tate McDermott, Ryan Lonergan

Flyhalf (3) - Quade Cooper, Bernard Foley, Noah Lolesio/Carter Gordon

Centre (3) - Samu Kerevi, Len Ikitau, Laloki Foketi

Outside Backs (6) - Marika Koribete, Tom Wright, Jordon Petaia, Reece Hodge, Andrew Kellaway, Mark Nawanqitawase

Strongest 23

1/ Slipper
2/ BPA
3/ Alaaloatoa
4/ Rodda
5/ Frost
6/ Leota
7/ Hooper
8/ Valentini
9/ White
10/ Cooper
11/ Koribete
12/ Kerevi
13/ Ikitau
14/ kellaway/Nawanqitawase
15/ Wright

16/ Porecki
17/ Bell
18/ Topou
19/ Skelton
20/ Samu
21/ McDermott
22/ Foley
23/ Petaia
A substantial amount of that team is suffering long term injuries and will have little to no rugby before the RWC
 

Doritos Day

Tom Lawton (22)
A substantial amount of that team is suffering long term injuries and will have little to no rugby before the RWC
Yup I think you can put a line through Leota, Rodda and if he's not back soon Kelleway, because their value above the next best option is not enough to justify selection in a team already gambling on Bell, Tupou, Kerevi and Cooper.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
You would think, if we are being realistic, Jones will want Cooper and either JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) or Foley in the RWC squad with a third option from the Kids

If Cooper goes down, you don't want to rely on a kid to start a RWC major game. But post RWC, they will all be up for consideration and we can complain about whoever is chosen
My take FP for what it's worth is that the situation we're likely to be facing this RWC is slightly different to earlier. We have three experienced No 10s in Cooper, JOC (James O'Connor) and Foley. The record with two of them (JOC (James O'Connor) and Foley) is that we lose more often than we win in big test matches. Hence our slip to 7, 8 and 9 in world rankings while they were leading us around the park.

OTOH, our two "kids" are somewhat different also to previously. Noah is not a "kid" anymore at Super Rugby nor test level, and he has actually a not too bad record at test level. Carter Gordon is just a prodigious talent and most likely will rise to the very top level of No 10s internationally. He is the most promising prospect at 10 since Bernie Larkham played, and streets, nah highways, ahead of any of the recent "kids" coming through the ranks.

Cooper, if fit (or JOC (James O'Connor)), with Gordon and Lolesio is a much more successful looking combination than anything involving two of the three senior players imo.
 
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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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My take FP for what it's worth is that the situation we're likely to be facing this RWC is slightly different to earlier. We have three experienced No 10s in Cooper, JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) and Foley. The record with two of them (JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) and Foley) is that we lose more often than we win in big test matches. Hence our slip to 7, 8 and 9 in world rankings while they were leading us around the park.

OTOH, our two "kids" are somewhat different also to previously. Noah is not a "kid" anymore at Super Rugby nor test level, and he has actually a not too bad record at test level. Carter Gordon is just a prodigious talent and most likely will rise to the very top level of No 10s internationally. He is the most promising prospect at 10 since Bernie Larkham played, and streets, nah highways, ahead of any of the recent "kids" coming through the ranks.

Cooper, if fit (or JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor)), with Gordon and Lolesio is a much more successful looking combination than anything involving two of the three senior players imo.
I think Noah is the most likely to go, just because of his time in the seat, rather than his ability to boss a test match
 

rodha

Dave Cowper (27)
JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) is not a test quality 10. He has shown glimpses at Super Rugby level and has gone well in a number of positions at test level but 10 is not one of them. I would have Tom Lynagh starting ahead of him every day of the week at the Reds.
I am a fan and have watched JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) throughout his career But he is not ‘the guy’.

O'Connor has been Australia's best 10 in Super Rugby 2020-2022, he draws defenders before passing, fixes the defence & takes the ball to the line better than anyone else, he has a lot of underrated value, low error-rate, calm & composed influence on the team, extremely effective leading the backline when given ownership to take charge of the gameplan (Rennie should've taken note..)

It's just that he plays for a headless poorly coached Red's team with a flakey, ill-disciplined & lightweight pack, if he had been playing as the Brumbies at 10 for the last 3 years he would be thriving & would be getting a lot more opportunities handed to him.

The fact is the Reds have such little continuity because of how error-prone, structureless & poor disciplined their forwards are under Thorn's abysmal coaching, JOC (James O'Connor)'s leadership and composed presence keeps them in games, if it weren't for his influence as a leader this Reds team would be a headless rabble and would be losing by a lot more...

This is exactly what occurred when he got injured in 2021 and 2022, the Reds had structure, composure and looked effective on attack, then O'Connor got injured and the Red's had absolutely nothing.
 
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qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Fuck all these old timers. Lets roll the dice with Carter Gordon.
Just saying but there really hasn't been a RWC winner with an inexperienced #10

- 2019 Pollard
- 2015 Carter
- 2011 Donald/Cruden (Donald especially was experienced but in any case, they almost lost due to a lack of quality 10!)
- 2007 Butch James
- 2003 Jonny
- 1999 Larkham

He might make the squad as the 3rd 10 but I'd say Eddie is going to pick 2 in front him from JOC (James O'Connor), Quade, Foley.
 

Doritos Day

Tom Lawton (22)
O'Connor has been Australia's best 10 in Super Rugby 2020-2022, he draws defenders before passing, fixes the defence & takes the ball to the line better than anyone else, he has a lot of underrated value, low error-rate, calm & composed influence on the team, extremely effective leading the backline when given ownership to take charge of the gameplan (Rennie should've taken note..)

It's just that he plays for a headless poorly coached Red's team with a flakey, ill-disciplined & lightweight pack, if he had been playing as the Brumbies at 10 for the last 3 years he would be thriving & would be getting a lot more opportunities handed to him.

The fact is the Reds have such little continuity because of how error-prone, structureless & poor disciplined their forwards are under Thorn's abysmal coaching, JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor)'s leadership and composed presence keeps them in games, if it weren't for his influence as a leader this Reds team would be a headless rabble and would be losing by a lot more...

This is exactly what occurred when he got injured in 2021 and 2022, the Reds had structure, composure and looked effective on attack, then O'Connor got injured and the Red's had absolutely nothing.
What does J.O.C's Super form have to do with a comment on his test performances?
 

Realrugby63

Stan Wickham (3)
Maybe they should put their frustrations into winning games of rugby so they don't have to buy players
Is that on the players, because as I see it it’s more on the coaches and Rugby Australia. By the comments on Facebook and general outrage I’m hearing chatting to people you blokes seem to have the minority opinion on this $1.6 million deal.
 

Realrugby63

Stan Wickham (3)
Whoa, one player's mum...

That's pretty conclusive.

It wasn't Mrs Ashley-Cooper by chance?
It was a father, and people can laugh all they want but they obviously don’t know anything from the inside and how this deal has made the players feel. Also the public clearly disagrees with this thread, so it will be interesting to see if we will actually get bigger crowds and viewing numbers like we were supposed to with Vunivalu.
 
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