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Waratahs 2023

Rob42

Arch Winning (36)
Praise God we get a fully-fit Will Harrison next year. To my eye he's got the most potential of the three Tahs five-eighths, if they're all fit and firing. Edmed undoubtedly grabbed the opportunity to play 10 with both hands and made a bloody good fist of it. Harrison will have to play exceptionally well next year to grab the 10 jumper off him.

In the immediate future it'd be good for one of these talented youngsters to move elsewhere and get a regular start at 10. God knows we need to develop a coupla class five-eighths in gold the next few years.
I'm not sure about the conventional wisdom of spreading out the talent to ensure playing minutes. We've had too many good young players move for opportunity, and their development stalls. Especially when these blokes are very young, I don't think there's any harm in 3 young 10s developing together in the same team. We've seen them all used this season. They can train together and support one another - when the team culture aids that. There's no harm in them sharing time across other positions as well. They don't need the pressure of leading a franchise at 20 years old.
 

qwerty51

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Max Douglas didn’t deserve another contract, I don’t see the issue. Needs to put on more bulk. We punted McCauley so don’t see why Douglas would be any different.
 

7137

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Max Douglas didn’t deserve another contract, I don’t see the issue. Needs to put on more bulk. We punted McCauley so don’t see why Douglas would be any different.
The gave McCauley 4 years.
They gave their 22 year old Rookie of the year from last year just two….
But Nevermind, you’re right. Such is the depth of talent at lock in NSW if a 20 year old can’t become a 120kg behemoth in 2 years we can just cut him loose and move onto the next one……
 

qwerty51

Nathan Sharpe (72)
We need a big TH lock. Douglas isn’t that.

Is he a better lock than Holloway, Hanigan or Sinclair? No. The Tahs are in a title window, there’s no room for Douglas. Simple.
 

fatprop

Jason Little (69)
Staff member
We need a big TH lock. Douglas isn’t that.

Is he a better lock than Holloway, Hanigan or Sinclair? No. The Tahs are in a title window, there’s no room for Douglas. Simple.
I think that is the issue, he isn't as good as the above 3 and he ain't going to be the TH lock we need

Hopefully he gets game time out west and does well
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
Staff member
There's a pretty solid argument that it's better for Douglas to (presumably get paid more to) play in Japan and get more minutes at a higher level than Shute Shield vs being on a cheaper contract at the Waratahs, play next to no Super Rugby and be stuck in club rugby all year.

Hopefully he continues to develop, fills out a bit and comes back in a couple of years. There's no doubt he's got some talent.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
There's a pretty solid argument that it's better for Douglas to (presumably get paid more to) play in Japan and get more minutes at a higher level than Shute Shield vs being on a cheaper contract at the Waratahs, play next to no Super Rugby and be stuck in club rugby all year.

Hopefully he continues to develop, fills out a bit and comes back in a couple of years. There's no doubt he's got some talent.

my theory is Japan is better for backs (focus on skill and speed) and Europe is better for forwards (set piece and physicality).

I doubt Hocking's game has developed much since his departure because of the above. In fact I think he would have developed quicker here (but not his hip pocket). Douglas is the same.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
Staff member
my theory is Japan is better for backs (focus on skill and speed) and Europe is better for forwards (set piece and physicality).

I doubt Hocking's game has developed much since his departure because of the above. In fact I think he would have developed quicker here (but not his hip pocket). Douglas is the same.

I don't disagree with your general premise but my take would be that Harry Hockings was giving up Super Rugby games to leave here whereas Max Douglas probably isn't at least for next year.

So for Hockings it was Super Rugby vs Japan and for Douglas it is Shute Shield (and training with a Super Rugby team) vs Japan.
 

Tazzmania

Larry Dwyer (12)
Hockings would be the perfect get for the Tahs too.

Unlikely to come back to Australia at the present moment.

Simon Cron in one of his recent interviews mentioned that he has tried to no avail so far to speak to him about coming back to Australia via the Force.

He has a Cron connection and his brother (Tom) has settled in Perth after having played a while back for the Force
 

7137

Johnnie Wallace (23)
I would say that yes, he would be in our best 23 as a genuine big bodied lock.
I think it was said earlier that Coleman had left him a ridiculously long list of missed calls and messages of which none were returned.

I don’t think we need a player like that.
 

pnut

Ted Fahey (11)
So best player in Shute shield off to Japan. Says allot about DC connection with club rugby. Unless of course your his brother and coach a side to miss finals and get best coach. ?? Surely manlys form turnaround slightly more warranted
 

Derpus

Tim Horan (67)
Was Hockings actually big bodied? he was certainly tall but I remember him being fairly average in contact being fairly young and still on the lighter side.

He'd probably make the side but I doubt he's really what we need, anyway. I don't think what we need is actually available. Might as well just stick with the hybrids who actually want to be here.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Ron Walden (29)
Don't take this as diminishing the Ken Catchpole medal because I'm not, and everyone that has won it is a fantastic player but if you look at the last decade of winners the Tahs haven't missed out on anyone of devastating potential.

Scott Fardy 2008 (more than a decade ago) would be one that everyone missed.

Letting 2nd rowers go seems to be bad trait that has held them back but I don't think the squad is weaker because of this one.
 

Dctarget

Michael Lynagh (62)
Surely second rowers (along with props) have the worst ROI in their first 5 years. Beyond freaks of nature like Itoje who can dominate at 20, it must be so hard to develop young ones. Bring 'em back when they're finely matured like Philip, another good Sydney boy.
 
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