School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Quick Hands]

Another attraction is that Waverley is running a very good rugby program with quality coaching, so parents can be assured their sons will be given every chance to develop as players and which will also enhance their chances of making CAS and State teams.
If parents are happy with the standard of education at the school, then the rugby benefits are a bonus, on top of the cheaper fees.

Out of interest, don't suppose that you know the score/result of the Trinity v Waverley 15As last year?

 

[sidelineview]

Out of interest, don't suppose that you know the score/result of the Trinity v Waverley 15As last year?

Is this a trick question?

 

[BRUMBIEJACK]

Ob

Although I didn't mention the word "scholarship" in my post (quite deliberately so).

Obviously you need to know each boys' circumstances and their peer networks to track their individual reasons for leaving Trinity and appearing at Waverley but I am certainly aware of some of the pre-existing links. And if you're a good rugby player then a school with well-regarded teacher/coaches and a first team that had 4 Oz schoolboys in it may make it an even more attractive option if you like rugby to that extent. And for the parents I'm sure significantly cutting the fee burden they face, making the child happy and giving him a good, well-rounded education in the Blessed Edmund Rice tradition are all excellent reasons for moving from Trinity to Waverley. But as I said you'd need to ask them.

Very fortuitous for Waverley that a number of good rugby players all left one school for "varied reasons" and all had contacts at Waverley. Waverley clearly an attractive option for a range of reasons.

 

[Quick Hands]

Is this a trick question?

Not at all. I only asked as last year when Shore withdrew from 15As they organised to play Cranbrook when the rest of Shore played Newington. Newington 15As ended up playing Trinity 15As, because apparently Cranbrook didn't want to play Trinity in that game because of size issues. Newington won the 15As v Trinity by about 2-3 tries I think but it was competitive. I was curious as to how Trinity and Waverley went against each other.

 

[Quick Hands]

Ob

I think you've somehow included you reply in the yellow box in between parts of my original post.

What you say makes perfect sense.

 

[sidelineview]

Not at all. I only asked as last year when Shore withdrew from 15As they organised to play Cranbrook when the rest of Shore played Newington. Newington 15As ended up playing Trinity 15As, because apparently Cranbrook didn't want to play Trinity in that game because of size issues. Newington won the 15As v Trinity by about 2-3 tries I think but it was competitive. I was curious as to how Trinity and Waverley went against each other.

You mightn't have mentioned the word scholarship but you mentioned recruiting which has the same or similar connotations.
I dont know the details of why new players enrolled in the school but the school has a good working relationship with Randwick Juniors and also some students play for the Roosters rep teams, so the chance of the different players being mates is there.
Im also just saying that recruitment/scholarships isnt necessarily the deciding factor.
The school also had quite a lot of State team reps over the last 2 years. It gives the school a good reputation re their rugby program which can attract parents/rugby playing students.
One of the Waverley coaches, Scott Coleman successfully coached CAS last year and will again this season as well as assistant coach Combined States.

On last seasons 15As v Trinity, no idea, but i dont think that age group was particularly strong. Waverley's 13s, 14s & Opens were strong.

 

[Quick Hands]

You mightn't have mentioned the word scholarship but uou mentioned recruiting which has the same or similar connotations.

No, there's all the all the difference in the world actually. Offering scholarships and/or bursaries to attract players to a school is completely different from people being recruited.

Almost everyone who joins a school, club, team etc involves an element of recruiting. If someone says to another words to the effect "we have a good set up and you'll like it here" and the second person joins the club, school or team they've actually been recruited. It's perfectly normal and shouldn't have any negative connotations attached - you seem to have put your own interpretation on it.

It's why I choose my words very carefully on this thread.

 

[sidelineview]

No, there's all the all the difference in the world actually. Offering scholarships and/or bursaries to attract players to a school is completely different from people being recruited.

Almost everyone who joins a school, club, team etc involves an element of recruiting. If someone says to another words to the effect "we have a good set up and you'll like it here" and the second person joins the club, school or team they've actually been recruited. It's perfectly normal and shouldn't have any negative connotations attached - you seem to have put your own interpretation on it.

It's why I choose my words very carefully on this thread.

The word recruitment infers the school is actively looking for new players rather than players and parents being attracted to the school through networking through friends and Club team mates, and then the school welcoming those students in.

 

[CatchnPass]

Given the fees are about a third of those of peer schools, it's an attractive choice for parents.

Depends how you define peer. If it’s simply other schools in the CAS, then I’d agree. If it’s assessed on the basis of academic performance, then you may start to question whether you are getting the same product for 1/3 the cost.

Looked at another way, if rugby was the sole priority I’d have no hesitation sending my son to Waverley which has an excellent program and coaching. If academic outcomes factor more highly, it would not be attractive to this parent no matter how low the fees.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The word recruitment infers the school is actively looking for new players rather than players and parents being attracted to the school through networking through friends and Club team mates, and then the school welcoming those students in.

The word doesn't infer anything: you may infer something from the use of the word.
What you mean is imply.
One could infer form Trinity's ranking in the HSC that students of that school would know the difference - irrespective of the result of the 15As in 2017.

 

[Quick Hands]

The word recruitment infers the school is actively looking for new players rather than players and parents being attracted to the school through networking through friends and Club team mates, and then the school welcoming those students in.

It doesn't infer anything of the sort. It's a construction that you have chosen to put on it.

 

[Spieber]

One could infer from Trinity's ranking in the HSC that students of that school would know the difference - irrespective of the result of the 15As in 2017.

Which don't include the 60+ doing IB (with 85% of class exceeding world average - congrats to an old friend who set up the programme).

PS Update for long term hotel residents - Taane Milne had his West Tigers contract torn up last Friday for a second positive drugs test.

Edit - a somewhat sad outcome for a talented player

 

[Up the Guts]

PS Update for long term hotel residents - Taane Milne (an "All-rounder") had his West Tigers contract torn up last Friday for a second positive drugs test.

Certainly didn't take chemistry at Newington.

 

[I like to watch]

Certainly didn't take chemistry at Newington.

Pretty sure he "majored" in probability, in an off campus location.......

 

[Quick Hands]

Depends how you define peer. If it’s simply other schools in the CAS, then I’d agree. If it’s assessed on the basis of academic performance, then you may start to question whether you are getting the same product for 1/3 the cost.

Looked at another way, if rugby was the sole priority I’d have no hesitation sending my son to Waverley which has an excellent program and coaching. If academic outcomes factor more highly, it would not be attractive to this parent no matter how low the fees.

And as has been noted a few pages back, Marcellin Randwick outperforms Waverley in the HSC for 1/2 the cost.

 

[Quick Hands]

Which don't include the 60+ doing IB (with 85% of class exceeding world average - congrats to an old friend who set up the programme).

PS Update for long term hotel residents - Taane Milne had his West Tigers contract torn up last Friday for a second positive drugs test.

Edit - a somewhat sad outcome for a talented player

Very sad, but unfortunately all too common for young men who have been in the elite sports bubble since their teens.

 

[The Honey Badger]

It's why I choose my words very carefully on this thread.

QH, taking it to a new level.

Of course, that's how things work on this thread.

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[BRUMBIEJACK]

Depends how you define peer. If it’s simply other schools in the CAS, then I’d agree. If it’s assessed on the basis of academic performance, then you may start to question whether you are getting the same product for 1/3 the cost.

Looked at another way, if rugby was the sole priority I’d have no hesitation sending my son to Waverley which has an excellent program and coaching. If academic outcomes factor more highly, it would not be attractive to this parent no matter how low the fees.

Looked at another way, one should choose the school to produce well-rounded people. The Christian Brothers established schools to teach the poor (you could argue that Brisbane never got the memo) and that is largely the reason why the fees are low and the social justice component high. The idea is to make it as accessible to as many as possible and to give them opportunities. In that regard it's the odd person out in the CAS (Jesuits have always been a bit more mercenary in that regard) Hence it will happily produce tradies as readily as teachers, doctors or lawyers. My son thoroughly enjoyed his time at Waverley and is doing Arts/Law at Sydney Uni so I'm pretty happy with its academic output, its egalitarian nature (oh, and its rugby program too). So for a third of the cost I think I got a very well-rounded, academically successful and socially aware graduate who wonders why parents pay such high fees for their kids to go to the schools he used to play against.

That's the problem when you generalise - you paint a picture that can be very misleading.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Certainly didn't take chemistry at Newington.

Which don't include the 60+ doing IB (with 85% of class exceeding world average - congrats to an old friend who set up the programme).

PS Update for long term hotel residents - Taane Milne had his West Tigers contract torn up last Friday for a second positive drugs test.

Edit - a somewhat sad outcome for a talented player

Very sad.
It’s part of the problem: the kids derive their sense of worth from a game that can be cruel. The schools that use the talent for marketing opportunity have a very heavy obligation to equip them with a bit more than a 1st Xv jersey.

 

[WLF]

And as has been noted a few pages back, Marcellin Randwick outperforms Waverley in the HSC for 1/2 the cost.

Can we please get over the cost of fees as to why people, in this case,rugby players, go to Waverley or anywhere else.
Fact is all private school boys are privileged, it's all a lot of money and most people have more then 1 child at a private school.

If you are able to go to a private school the choice of school is typically based on location to home, old boy, etc.
The HSC will one day, probably soon, be outdated and removed, the ranking system is always stacked by schools for obvious reasons. Furthermore, lets just discuss rugby, as this social sport often results in winners in life, ie well rounded young men, not just high atar performers, where is your dux now?