Argentina v Australia, Mendoza 4/10/14

[Slim 293]

I thought Hooper was the obvious choice after Moore got injured, and I think one day he'll make a fine captain...............

But, I doubt he will have that role next year going into the RWC.

As to what a better captain might have done better? Probably pulled his players into line..........

It wasn't just discipline that was a major problem, but the attitudes of several players on the field, particularly towards Owens, wasn't doing them any favours.

 

[Tomikin]

How bout going up to the ref and saying where not kicking till the lazer pointers stop.. And take the ball and sit on the ground

 

[Train Without a Station]

But as it has been mentioned earlier, the majority of these players he "needed to pull into line" were more experienced test players than he is.

The record will show Wallabies ill-discipline but at the end of the day, Owens was inconsistent in his rulings. I could pick out a dozen unpunished offences which would have squared up the penalty ledger. Smart teams play to the referee. I thought our players did that fairly well, but you cannot play to inconsistencies.

Then it comes back to the refereeing. The Phipps yellow card left us a man down and lost us possession won. He tackled, got up, there was no ruck, he kicked the ball out. He had rights to grab it, using feet is legal. Then there's the Folau rescinded card, which we were still penalized for, thus losing possession. Very difficult to not make more tackles than the other team when incorrect rulings give them possession and field position.

A good team takes the referee out of the equation, which the Wallabies made every endeavor to do. The problem is that they were still hampered by laser pointers, the TMO (Specifically the lack of a side on angle, as no other angle would show the ball), a touch judge missing what may have been a yellow card offence, which instead of having a line out/shot at goal, we turned over position as a player taken well high wasn't able to place the ball at the ruck.

Perhaps we should have scored another 3 tries and taken these out of it to be fuck me we had a lot of hurdles to over come.

 

[Train Without a Station]

How bout going up to the ref and saying where not kicking till the lazer pointers stop.. And take the ball and sit on the ground

And what if the referee doesn't listen and you're already 35 seconds into the 60 seconds you are allowed for a shot at goal?

Even if the laser gets in your eye, you might still kick the goal. If the ref doesn't listen, you definitely won't kick it.

 

[aeneas]

Last year Cruden refused to take the shots at goal until the lasers had been stopped or am i mis-remembering.

 

[Gnostic]

I just posted on the RWC forum coincidentally - if Pocock & Hooper are both fit and in form we pick them both and go back to the left and right flanker model. Palu and McCalman are both sound enough jumpers at 2

EDIT: sorry, replied to the wrong post but still part of the same convo.

Sorry Eddie no deal. Stick to Japan, the idea didn't work a decade ago with the best 7 and back up I have seen.

 

[Tomikin]

And what if the referee doesn't listen and you're already 35 seconds into the 60 seconds you are allowed for a shot at goal?

Even if the laser gets in your eye, you might still kick the goal. If the ref doesn't listen, you definitely won't kick it.

Yes your right but it would make a wave that would need to be fixed

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I'd be OK with the captain taking the players from the field in that situation and forfeiting the game if the laser pointers thing didn't stop. It's a matter of principle.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I'd be OK with the captain taking the players from the field in that situation and forfeiting the game if the laser pointers thing didn't stop. It's a matter of principle.

So would I. A couple of years of reading rugby articles and the comments has me sure not many others would and they would be called, pedantic, spoiled and soft by all in sundry.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Yes your right but it would make a wave that would need to be fixed

This isn't the first time this has happened though. Everybody has been aware of it for years and what has been done? Nothing. How could they have expected to actually have any action taken to rectify the problem based on the fact it has failed to be rectified for the last 2 or 3 years.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

At some stage you've got to take stand against this kind of bullshit. It doesn't happen at any of the other major international grounds and rugby as a general rule doesn't have a culture of rubbish crowd behaviour. It needs to be stamped out.

 

[Tomikin]

This isn't the first time this has happened though. Everybody has been aware of it for years and what has been done? Nothing. How could they have expected to actually have any action taken to rectify the problem based on the fact it has failed to be rectified for the last 2 or 3 years.

Because no one's taken a stand.. They just get on with it. Until someone makes it unacceptable then it will continue to happen. But maybe I'm wrong

 

[Train Without a Station]

At some stage you've got to take stand against this kind of bullshit. It doesn't happen at any of the other major international grounds and rugby as a general rule doesn't have a culture of rubbish crowd behaviour. It needs to be stamped out.

Mate i think it's fucking ridiculous. If a spectator through an apple at a player would it not be treated the same as a pitch invader? Don't see how this is any different at all.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Because no one's taken a stand.. They just get on with it. Until someone makes it unacceptable then it will continue to happen. But maybe I'm wrong

It's been condemned by all nothing yet nothing has actually been done. I'm not sure the players can be expected to do any more than they are really. If they asked for a re-kick the press would likely blend them as sooks.

 

[Tomikin]

It's been condemned by all nothing yet nothing has actually been done. I'm not sure the players can be expected to do any more than they are really. If they asked for a re-kick the press would likely blend them as sooks.

Possibly but sounds like the 4 people who commented so far would say good fucking work, I would hope others would agree.

Enough is a enough, it's like throwing coins at goalies in soccer it's not on.

 

[Moono75]

Next time the Argies come to Australia we can gather up all the empty plastic beer cups, make them into two 20 metre beer snakes and substitute their goal posts for them. No way the Argies will pot any goals with the bend on those babies. Who needs lasers!

 

[daz]

Bugger. Back to the drawing board then.
I am very frustrated at our team playing badly just long enough to lose. Can we scour Oz rugby for a Jack Pot type who will not only cause damage but also rev up his team?

George and Sam Burgess. Get 'em on Super contracts and fast-tracked into the Wallabies ASAP.

Human wrecking balls, hard as nails, playmakers, inspirational.

I admit this may not go down well with some.

 

[Dave Beat]

Probably the wrong thread, but pick your best and see how many of this weekends team get a start or appear on the bench,
1. Slipper / Sio
2. Moore / TPN
3. Kepu /
4. Horwill / Skelton
5. Kane Douglas / Jones
6. Fardy / Jones
7. Hooper (C) / Poey
8. Palu / McCallman
9. NFI - Genia if fit, only after playing a full season to prove himself / Phibbs
10. QC (Quade Cooper) / Foley
11. JOC (James O'Connor) (all the skill, hope his matured into a man)
12. Tooma / Godwin
13. Kuindrani / AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14. Speight / AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Izzy /
Only half the team started, and i may have left players out, note some of the above may peak late next year (Sio / Jones / Godwin).

 

[KOB1987]

Sorry Eddie no deal. Stick to Japan, the idea didn't work a decade ago with the best 7 and back up I have seen.

Yes and no..it can work perfectly well provided the playing styles of the subjects complement each other which is different to doing it just to have two open sides on the field. I am also working on the assumption that they are our best 2 overall flanker choices. If they aren't then no don't do it.
A variation I have seen would be to specialise their roles a little further by playing say pocock on the open side in defence and hooper there in attack.

 

[KOB1987]

George and Sam Burgess. Get 'em on Super contracts and fast-tracked into the Wallabies ASAP.

Human wrecking balls, hard as nails, playmakers, inspirational.

I admit this may not go down well with some.

Sam has signed with the Pom RU