Big change to eligibility rules

[Tomikin]

I think Giteau was always better then 2010 and 2011 under Robbie Deans showed.. Probably a Parallel to Genia from 2011 till now. We all know he has the goods, but the mental side of things got in his way.. I think his Matured, I think as an outside roughie for the Rugby Championships with the bigger squad, I would pick him before say English and Goodwin last year (only because of world cup year). Im not saying pick him for the world cup, but you have to drag him out here and see what his got.. he could be the Gem we are looking for.

 

[cyclopath]

Has he played 60 tests ?

By 2017 probably will have. On 42 now. 18 in the next 2 years?

 

[Troy]

Has he played 60 tests ?

Hoopers played 42 tests, few more to go!

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[Dewald Nel]

Because it's working so well for SA?

Yep.

 

[qwerty51]

Confirmed match against USA on route to the WC. So that's 9 games next year minimum.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Confirmed match against USA on route to the WC. So that's 9 games next year minimum.

Test match status or unlimited reserves etc? Does it matter for caps?

 

[TheHam]

If they're tapping the Yanks for a $mill, you'd expect the septics would want it Test status.

Does the ARU even bother with non-capped matches anymore? It's sorta pointless in the pro era when they're looking to maximise returns from each game before the players hit their max match quota.

 

[fatprop]

Listening to the off the ball podcast from Ireland, they think it is a really smart, pragmatic idea (and all about Gits)

They compared it to dumb England choosing not to select Steffon Armitage the only decent real 7 they have

 

[papabear]

How much will this announcement devalue the future contracts of Wallaby players looking to cash in in the twilight of their careers?

Before this announcement, foreign clubs could sign Wallabies knowing that they would be available for Club games during the Test Windows, when clubs must release their Saffers, PI, and 6N players who were called up for National Duty.

As the NZRU have yet to embrace World Rugby (IRB) regulation 9, this new policy will add/reinforce a premium to NZL players in Japan and NH.

With potentially lower value contracts being offered to our Twilight Wallabies, it may be easier for the financially struggling ARU to match packages being offered the athletes they want to keep at home.

I agree with this.

Also with players more and more just taking the best money on the table and the wallabies being unions best product it was really the only option for the ARU

 

[Gnostic]

I agree with this.

Also with players more and more just taking the best money on the table and the wallabies being unions best product it was really the only option for the ARU

As has been suggested earlier in the thread, twilight Wallabies could achieve the desired remuneration increase by simply announcing their Test retirement and removing themselves from eligibility.

 

[GTPIH]

GR in SMH is reporting that Cheika is considering Gits as a halfback option rather than a midfielder.

 

[cyclopath]

GR in SMH is reporting that Cheika is considering Gits as a halfback option rather than a midfielder.

Err, not really.

This from the article, a quote from Cheika:-

As far as I know Matt Giteau has played no No.9 there, maybe on the odd occasion, so his strength is at No.10 and No.12 there obviously.

Sounds like a 10/12 backup with utility option at 9 if needed.

 

[jollyswagman]

Confirmed match against USA on route to the WC. So that's 9 games next year minimum.

What is this talk of the Wallabies taking on the Eagles in the US?

Where have you seen this confirmed?......as an Aussie expat living in the US, the though of this actually happening would make my year. Please tell me more.......

 

[BDA]

Well surely the resigning of Slipper until 2018 goes against those suggestions that the change will mean that there is no reason for test players over 60 tests to stick around.

 

[the plastic paddy]

Listening to the off the ball podcast from Ireland, they think it is a really smart, pragmatic idea (and all about Gits)

They compared it to dumb England choosing not to select Steffon Armitage the only decent real 7 they have

The selection of Armitage is all about politics and the relationship between the English clubs and the RFU. The RFU have left the clubs, PRL, with much too much control of the game in England, and Europe, and the clubs do not want players from overseas being selected because all the English players will be sunning themselves in Marseilles before you can say Bonjour if they know that the precedent has been set. All very amusing, especially as the ARU's brilliant move has heaped a rake of pressure and distraction onto Lancaster just when he doesn't need it.

 

[GTPIH]

Err, not really.

This from the article, a quote from Cheika:-


Sounds like a 10/12 backup with utility option at 9 if needed.

My bad. I was commenting on her "The Breakdown" column which had no direct quotes from anyone. The joys of ever changing online articles. Agreed Giteau's best trait is his utility value

 

[liquor box]

Personally I dont like the 60 test number.

I think it should be based on Super Rugby games. To reach say 100 Super Rugby games you have been dedicated to Australian Rugby and your province/s and have been available for the Wallabies for a long period of time.

It also provides some credit to players who might be third string and only make touring parties due to being born in the wrong year.

A player like S Fainga'a has been a servant to the sport in Australia but has been behind very good quality Hookers but has held his own when thrown into the squad due to injuries. He has 107 Super Rugby caps but only 36 Tests.

Players like this deserve the opportunity to play for the wallabies as well if they decide to move overseas. If it was not for TPN and Moore I would be confident he would have made the 60 cap mark.

Gill will be in a similar position in a few years if Pocock and Hooper continue to play but he would be worthy of a return like Smith was.

 

[Pfitzy]

I agree with that - think I was discussing elsewhere guys like David Croft who was behind two other blokes, and played a handful of Tests as a result.

If you're in the situation where you need an Aussie player to fill a gap, but they've been overseas since racking up a huge milestone in domestic footy, then they deserve their chance.

However it would still need to meet the minimum 7 years with the ARU. And they don't have to be continuous years either.

 

[cyclopath]

I agree with that - think I was discussing elsewhere guys like David Croft who was behind two other blokes, and played a handful of Tests as a result.

If you're in the situation where you need an Aussie player to fill a gap, but they've been overseas since racking up a huge milestone in domestic footy, then they deserve their chance.

However it would still need to meet the minimum 7 years with the ARU. And they don't have to be continuous years either.

Yeah, I agree too. Plenty of players have ended up with small numbers of Test caps where they otherwise would have got quite a few. Think Chris Whittaker behind Gregan, for example. Like the ones above. 100 Super rugby caps seems like a good marker of dedication to Oz rugby.

 

[Omar Comin']

I disagree. You want as many people as possible to play in Australia - or at least in Super Rugby (I wouldn't be opposed to opening up eligibility within Super Rugby). If these sort of guys want to play test matches for Australia then they shouldn't go to Europe. I don't like this new rule at all, it's a slippery slope.