Clyde Rathbone's battle with depression
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Steve Williams (59)
Ignorant post, mate. Family support is important but by itself it is not going to cure clinical depression. Get yourself educated.
By the way, do you usually address women as "mate"? SFR is a woman. I doubt you read her post otherwise you would have picked that up.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Through my own experiences with depression and then my experiences with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy as a means of treatment I've also been able to identify the negative thinking patterns that people show. My depression wasn't raised from a single incident in my childhood but rather the repeated practice of negative thought patterns as a means of dealing with perfectionism and my inability to achieve it. Essentially from a very young age I have aimed unrealistically high and then berated myself for not reaching my goals. It is an extremely negative pattern of thought that has manifested in both depression and agoraphobia. What is annoying is that by limiting my social circles to prevent people judging me to my rediculous standards I've actually denied myself pleasure (I actual like socialising - when I realise that people don't judge you and if they do then so what, nobody's perfect). Basically, depression is a bitch.
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spooony
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No we are not. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different.
But don't find anyone it ironic that he owns a medical company now? Good testimonial I might add
ShtinaTina
Alex Ross (28)
I really used to enjoy watching him play & was just recently wondering what ever had happened to him.
Great to see him talk about his disease & as frightening it would've been I am sure it was cathartic.
It amazes me who out there is depressed, who wants & needs to talk. I can't claim to know what it is like personally, but have had close friends battle with it.
Depression is a global problem & thankfully there is more awareness of the issue, not enough though.
Initiatives & organisations like the R U OKAY day, Movember, Beyondblue & The Black Dog Institute are helping bring it to the forefront.
Good on you Clyde, all the best. I hope by him writing his article, speaking about it & the internet community reblogging/tweeting/discussing/posting his article will encourage at least one if not more depressed people seek the help necessary.
Great to see him talk about his disease & as frightening it would've been I am sure it was cathartic.
It amazes me who out there is depressed, who wants & needs to talk. I can't claim to know what it is like personally, but have had close friends battle with it.
Depression is a global problem & thankfully there is more awareness of the issue, not enough though.
Initiatives & organisations like the R U OKAY day, Movember, Beyondblue & The Black Dog Institute are helping bring it to the forefront.
Good on you Clyde, all the best. I hope by him writing his article, speaking about it & the internet community reblogging/tweeting/discussing/posting his article will encourage at least one if not more depressed people seek the help necessary.
I've reproduced the article in full on our full page - Clyde had asked for it to be shared as far as possible so lets help him.
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/aussie-clydes-battle-with-depression/
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/aussie-clydes-battle-with-depression/
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Well said shtina, if anyone is unsure if they have depression or think they might the first step can be to go to your gp. Opening up to friends and family can be one of the hardest things to do but if you go to your gp they can get you a referral for a therapist or psychologist and they have to keep patient doctor confidentiality. Honestly though it is extremely cathartic to be open about it. Start with one person who you trust and work your way from there. One of the most touching things was when I told my best mate (who's a 6'4 big unit) I had battled with depression for years and he started crying. People only ever want the best for you and there's no shame in depression, it's just that often we hide it to protect the ones we love but in doing so you cannot treat it and end up doing yourself more harm. Hope that helps.
Goddess
Stan Wickham (3)
I've worked on & off in mental health for years. SFR, you nailed it. How often, when someone attempts suicide, do we hear people say "I didn't even know he/she was depressed"? All the time. Another comment I've heard over & over from patients is "I couldn't tell anyone".
I've been to a lot of funerals in my life but the one I remember the most vividly was at age 15. My friend Damian laid himself down on train tracks, I'm guessing because "he couldn't tell anyone". We didn't even know he was depressed...
I've been to a lot of funerals in my life but the one I remember the most vividly was at age 15. My friend Damian laid himself down on train tracks, I'm guessing because "he couldn't tell anyone". We didn't even know he was depressed...
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Tom Lawton (22)
Unfortunately Paarl, not everyone is so well-equipped to be able to talk themselves into thinking positively and behaving in a positive manner to get themselves out of depression. This is where therapy is useful, because some people have their negative self-talk and negative thinking styles so deeply ingrained in their sense of being, that when a negative catalyst occurs and depression sets in, thing tend to spiral out of control.
Take Clyde for example (the story he gave in his article). He suffered years of emotional abuse, and to cope with the constant negative evaluations of his worth, he began valuing himself (solely it seems) for his rugby playing ability. When is career was cut short, he lost what he say as being the main positive in his life and all that negative stuff came flooding back. Luckily he has recovered, but some people do go their whole lives suffering through this. I for one applaud him for speaking out about it, because it's something that isn't talked about enough.
Take Clyde for example (the story he gave in his article). He suffered years of emotional abuse, and to cope with the constant negative evaluations of his worth, he began valuing himself (solely it seems) for his rugby playing ability. When is career was cut short, he lost what he say as being the main positive in his life and all that negative stuff came flooding back. Luckily he has recovered, but some people do go their whole lives suffering through this. I for one applaud him for speaking out about it, because it's something that isn't talked about enough.
Paarl I understand many Saffas are still bitter about Clyde leaving, and I can see why they would be.... but what Clyde is talking about in this article is in no way related to his rugby career.
Even the respondants in a saffa paper are, on balance, mostly reasonable and able to separate Clyde's depression from Clyde's choices as a rugby player.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Clyde-Rathbone-reveals-all-20120201
Clinical depression is a real issue in Australia, South Africa, and every other country in the world. It is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, can be treated very effectively with the right psychologist and in many cases the right drugs.
Here's a young bloke who enjoyed a successful rugby career and still suffered severe depression in his late 20s. The result was a broken marriage (which is hopefully on the path to healing), and left him close to taking his own life. Now he's written a tell all article with no profit motive, in fact no motive other than to the hope that others in a similar situation will read his testimony and seek help.
Even the respondants in a saffa paper are, on balance, mostly reasonable and able to separate Clyde's depression from Clyde's choices as a rugby player.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Clyde-Rathbone-reveals-all-20120201
Clinical depression is a real issue in Australia, South Africa, and every other country in the world. It is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, can be treated very effectively with the right psychologist and in many cases the right drugs.
Here's a young bloke who enjoyed a successful rugby career and still suffered severe depression in his late 20s. The result was a broken marriage (which is hopefully on the path to healing), and left him close to taking his own life. Now he's written a tell all article with no profit motive, in fact no motive other than to the hope that others in a similar situation will read his testimony and seek help.
This is a key bit. We know clinical depression is linked with a lack of serotonin - in crude terms a hormone required for neurotransmission in the brain. When you run low on serotonin your central nervous system literally goes on the blink and you can suffer from blackouts and all sorts.
This is why drugs like Prozac (SSRI's - Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) work in severe depression at least - they stop other cells in the body absorbing serotonin so that more of it can be available to help your brain to work properly again.
People who tend to get clinical depression - or 'burn out' of serotonin - are actually usually people who are hard on themselves and driven, like Clyde describes in his article. They aren't people who sit around feeling sorry for themselves - those people might feel depressed, but they're unlikely to have clinical depression.
It's for this reason Paarl and Spoony couldn't be more medically and factually incorrect
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Syd Malcolm (24)
It's interesting reading the comments from the perspective of a Registered Nurse/Medical Student - SFR hits the mark in quite well.
Having suffered from it myself, being treated and thankfully coming out the other side, I fully appreciate the courage Clyde has displayed in having it come out in public, let alone being front page news in Canberra.
Paarlbok's comments, however blunt and perhaps misdirected (Clyde could have been on the moon and still have suffered) are highly indicative of many males opinions of mental health issues, and not to mention, holistic health care in general. In my studies/work/experience males from all backgrounds find this a difficult subject to deal with. I would implore him to look behind it being Clyde Rathbone, and consider it being a brother, father, mother etc.
I sincerely hope that into the future, blokes are able to approach these issues without fear of ridicule.
Those who have lost friends due to this illness will understand exactly what I mean... A simple chat with a mate could change everything.
Having suffered from it myself, being treated and thankfully coming out the other side, I fully appreciate the courage Clyde has displayed in having it come out in public, let alone being front page news in Canberra.
Paarlbok's comments, however blunt and perhaps misdirected (Clyde could have been on the moon and still have suffered) are highly indicative of many males opinions of mental health issues, and not to mention, holistic health care in general. In my studies/work/experience males from all backgrounds find this a difficult subject to deal with. I would implore him to look behind it being Clyde Rathbone, and consider it being a brother, father, mother etc.
I sincerely hope that into the future, blokes are able to approach these issues without fear of ridicule.
Those who have lost friends due to this illness will understand exactly what I mean... A simple chat with a mate could change everything.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
I rate people committing suicide as the most selfish you get.
Goddess
Stan Wickham (3)
And there's my daily dose of "life is like a cactus- every time you turn around, there's another prick"
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
why swearing iso argue the point? Maybe a patient iso working?
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spooony
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Before this get out of hand let me try to clear some misunderstandings that has taken place.
First off all the threat title is a bit misleading as he already has beaten the depression. He was suffering not anymore.
Then I did not say it is because of his family being far away or not there that he is suffering for depression. When I read the thread and the article I was and still are he was suffering from it and are cured. That is why I asked where he's family was. Reason because he is a bloke suffering from depression and the people that can support one or a big help in such things are in another country.
Then Rutherford explained what depression was as I think everyone was thinking what I explained above. I then replied to say I know what it is and that short story to explain how I know what it is.
All of you guys that said we have suffered from it and this and so on answer me this. Did you go through it alone or did your family stand by you helping you and giving you motivation?
If so then put you in Mr Rathbone shoes and just think that ones who supported you is in another country you don't have much support around you and then your wife left you. That why I said its amazing he didn't commit suicide and manage to get through it.
That was what I am trying to say.
Then its not Paarlbok who hates Rathbone. About 95 percent or everyone that know rugby and cricket in SA hates him and Mr. Petersen. For the circumstances they left.
Now someone said out cultures are alike and I think he was correct in a sense. Now take someone who Australians hate that was from your country or who dearly hurt you sport fans and that you will never forgive and place him now in place of Mr. Rathbone and a englishman or someone else is making a post like this. What will your reactions be? I bet you will react the same as Paarlbok or there would be similar comments.
Apologize if I did not make it clear in the beginning of the post next time I will try to do so and avoid confusion
First off all the threat title is a bit misleading as he already has beaten the depression. He was suffering not anymore.
Then I did not say it is because of his family being far away or not there that he is suffering for depression. When I read the thread and the article I was and still are he was suffering from it and are cured. That is why I asked where he's family was. Reason because he is a bloke suffering from depression and the people that can support one or a big help in such things are in another country.
Then Rutherford explained what depression was as I think everyone was thinking what I explained above. I then replied to say I know what it is and that short story to explain how I know what it is.
All of you guys that said we have suffered from it and this and so on answer me this. Did you go through it alone or did your family stand by you helping you and giving you motivation?
If so then put you in Mr Rathbone shoes and just think that ones who supported you is in another country you don't have much support around you and then your wife left you. That why I said its amazing he didn't commit suicide and manage to get through it.
That was what I am trying to say.
Then its not Paarlbok who hates Rathbone. About 95 percent or everyone that know rugby and cricket in SA hates him and Mr. Petersen. For the circumstances they left.
Now someone said out cultures are alike and I think he was correct in a sense. Now take someone who Australians hate that was from your country or who dearly hurt you sport fans and that you will never forgive and place him now in place of Mr. Rathbone and a englishman or someone else is making a post like this. What will your reactions be? I bet you will react the same as Paarlbok or there would be similar comments.
Apologize if I did not make it clear in the beginning of the post next time I will try to do so and avoid confusion
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Bob Loudon (25)
And therein lies the problem. If "many males' opinions of mental health issues" are like those expressed by Paarl then many more males will be less inclined to open up and express their feelings for fear of being bagged out, and the vicious cycle of depression continues. Well done Clyde and others herein for telling your story to encourage discussion on blogs like this.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
thats not worthy of your usual standard PB.
My understanding is that Rathers came from pretty humble circumstances so I dont know where the spoilt brat came from.
There's a difference between being depressed and being sad.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
No medico has ever prescribed "grabbing my balls" and "toughen(ing) up" for me: I must have seen some real homos for treatment I guess.