Steve Hansen: 'Frankly, the charge seems bizarre and unbelievable'.
Not sure if that's a real quote or naming OMC and EMF songs on his iPod.
Not sure if that's a real quote or naming OMC and EMF songs on his iPod.
Listening device found in All Black hotel
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
A.Gard of BGI Security? Forms filled out in crayon? I''m sensing that Wayne-O & Gene-O's bro Brian-O, the one no one in the family talks about (clearly for good reason(s)), has been surreptitiously diversifying the family portfolio: Brian Gunston International Security? Talk about hiding in plain sight..................
It's not the first aspect of this thing that strikes me as bizarre and unbelievable. Can we expect World Rugby to intervene and apologise forthwith?
Maybe.
World Rugby to have their own secutiry firm from now on - World Police?
World Rugby to have their own secutiry firm from now on - World Police?
MarkJ
Bob Loudon (25)
F*** yeah!
Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
A.Gard!
F*** yeah!
Sony Walkman!
F*** yeah!
Steve Hansen!
F*** yeah!
Corporate espionage!
F*** yeah!
Pretty nice hotel!
F*** yeah!
Fuck England!
F*** yeah!
Black jandals!
F*** yeah!
Gunston Mic’s!
F*** yeah!
Auckland Blues!
F*** yeah!
Aunty Doris’s scones!
F*** yeah!
Patrick Tuipulotu’s sensitive issues!
F*** yeah!
F*** yeah!
Sony Walkman!
F*** yeah!
Steve Hansen!
F*** yeah!
Corporate espionage!
F*** yeah!
Pretty nice hotel!
F*** yeah!
Fuck England!
F*** yeah!
Black jandals!
F*** yeah!
Gunston Mic’s!
F*** yeah!
Auckland Blues!
F*** yeah!
Aunty Doris’s scones!
F*** yeah!
Patrick Tuipulotu’s sensitive issues!
F*** yeah!
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Is this the first setback the all blacks have suffered in about the last 9 years?
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
"......police will allege Gard planted the bug himself and then “found” it. Investigators do not believe it was in a chair as he claimed."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...f/news-story/da5f890a2008306062b596017a1fd56b
Must have felt he had to appear to be doing something to justify whatever NZR are paying him.
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
Interesting to see he denies any knowledge, but he he already seems to be found guilty by media and forum jockeys. I still don't know why anyone would of planted a bug or if anyone did, bur you would think because of the accusation this bloke and his brother's business will be history very soon as not a lot of people will employ them. So I hope he hasn't been hung out to dry by the Police and media!! In that I mean perhaps names etc should of been kept quiet until he been found guilty or close to court time as no matter what happens there this will stick.
Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
Really hope A.Gard is guilty, such a great narrative, www.gunstongard.com pretty much writes itself. BUT the tiny atom-sized neutron of common sense in my brain says WHY would A.Gard biff away his security empire with such a daftly self-fellatingly career-felching move?
Unless he’s been doing the ol’ “found a bug!" manouevre all along......
Maybe he’s got a walk-in wardrobe of Paris Hilton grot tapes? hashtag#deep_web_where_do_I_sign_up
Unless he’s been doing the ol’ “found a bug!" manouevre all along......
Maybe he’s got a walk-in wardrobe of Paris Hilton grot tapes? hashtag#deep_web_where_do_I_sign_up
Snotterbox
Frank Nicholson (4)
The elephant in the room is a false flag operation to embarrass an opponent. If so, it would have had nothing to do with winning, only public humiliation. Look at the facts. The security guard is a serious professional, with a track record of protecting senior figures, including a US president, so he knows exactly what he's doing, and is unlikely to be so short of a buck as to risk selling information to journalists. He's worked for the ABs for 10 years, so isn't looking to make an impression. He found the bug. It wasn't reported till game day, when it would cause the most public relations damage. At the time, Hanson expressed surprise that the police were investigating. Hanson is an ex detective, so likely has experience with planting evidence. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, likely is Chiba Duck. If so, they'll be shitting themselves. The AB spiritual trustees won't put up with it. The final clown head to roll down Baldwin St might be Hanson's.
Remember this is conjecture. I have no evidence, other than a Master's degree in schadenfreude. But wouldn't it be entertaining!
Remember this is conjecture. I have no evidence, other than a Master's degree in schadenfreude. But wouldn't it be entertaining!
amirite
Chilla Wilson (44)
I would say that is incredibly unlikely.
There's a lot to point to Hanson being a boring human, and a wee bit of a douche, but you think he'd not only lie when questioned but concoct a story from the ground up for no other reason than "this might benefit us, and fuck you!"? Hm.
Snotterbox
Frank Nicholson (4)
Not from the ground up no. No one makes up complex lies from scratch. Instead, they spiral out of control. I know. I lie all the time. I'm lying now. Spurious complexity isn't evidence an explanation is true, but that it's not.
amirite
Chilla Wilson (44)
Ever heard of Occam's razor? Well, it's hard to work out Occam's razor here, but it's certainly not what you're suggesting.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
Occam's Razor has some currency (even usefulness) within the physical sciences. That's where simple universal laws tend to apply.
Unfortunately Occam's Razor, or even "Maximum Parsimony", doesn't always work too well in social science (such as it is; the 'science' bit can be a stretch).
Taking it a level further to attempt to describe the warped and convoluted workings of the mind and human behavior is lunacy.
Get rid of William of Ockham. Listen to Alfred North Whitehead instead:
The aim of science is to seek the simplest explanation of complex facts. We are apt to fall into the error of thinking that the facts are simple because simplicity is the goal of our quest. The guiding motto in the life of every natural philosopher should be “Seek simplicity and distrust it.”
Snotterbox
Frank Nicholson (4)
I have, and it is. Let's do some analysis.
If the charges are right, the security guard both planted and discovered the device. Who benefits?
Certainly not the ARU, if they paid him to snoop. That would be a triple blow: the loss of the bug, the loss of the information it would've provided, and a public relations black eye. The last thing they'd want is for it to be found.
And obviously not the press, for exactly the same reason. There's no surveillance use of a bug that includes it being found. Therefore, it wasn't for surveillance.
Why would anyone other than the ABs use a trusted AB employee for the job? It would be much easier to recruit one than 'turn' one of theirs. And besides, an outsider with a trusted double-agent inside the group wouldn't need a bug. The security staff sees everything.
The ABs benefited from the ritual public humiliation of their bunnies in yellow on game day [in addition to the usual on-field tonking]. Is that enough of a reason? That depends on the attitude of the perpetrator. Mockery is the new black.
Until this man was charged, the only ones who benefited were New Zealand rugby, as the 'victims' in a drama that painted their opponents in a bad light.
My only assumption is that Hanson is enough of a joker to do something like this.
QED.
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