Reds v Brumbies
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Beer Baron
Phil Hardcastle (33)
Or when it fails, it fails bad. - i.e. goes perfectly sideways off the boot.
The smile on his face as he talks about Feao Fotuaika, his effort and opportunities for older players playing club the play pro rugby
Shaker
Ron Walden (29)
Its all they learnt from Dave Alred. I don't remember him ever working on the drop punt.
yeah, as I listened on I gathered that. It's a fantastic story and a credit to Feao (who would have thunk he'd be running around for an hour playing Super Rugby in 30+ degree heat even just 3 months ago). Great eye by Cameron Lilycrap too.
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
You might be right, but what makes good refs good is knowing when not to blow the whistle more than knowing when to.
See also my comments about a "captains call" in rugby in the refs thread
Up the Guts
Steve Williams (59)
Even better than the torpedo clearance is the torpedo bomb. Adam Reynolds has just about nailed them for South Sydney, they're a very hard skill to master but a hell of a thing to catch when they wobble around in the wind.
Finsbury Girl
Trevor Allan (34)
I love the effort, but as with the NSW game the oppo allowed us the opportunities. Brumbies uncharacteristically flat, I know it was hot but both teams had to play the conditions.
Capitalising on mistakes is all well and good but not many sides will give us that luxury. Having said that, we are getting there, I am loving the forward play. The games v the jaapies will be very interesting.
If only we could unleash the backs from set piece or phase ball. At least the guys are aware and hungry, finally showing some game smarts. I thought everyone stepped up a notch, at least we know where the bar is set be going forward.
I think we have the makings of a really really good team in another season or two provided we can keep the nucleus together.
HH another great cameo.
Capitalising on mistakes is all well and good but not many sides will give us that luxury. Having said that, we are getting there, I am loving the forward play. The games v the jaapies will be very interesting.
If only we could unleash the backs from set piece or phase ball. At least the guys are aware and hungry, finally showing some game smarts. I thought everyone stepped up a notch, at least we know where the bar is set be going forward.
I think we have the makings of a really really good team in another season or two provided we can keep the nucleus together.
HH another great cameo.
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
TSR
Mark Ella (57)
Understand where you are coming from BR and I did think the Reds were lucky to get away with it, but I think the difference was that the ref could see the ball and McDermott was pretty clearly trying to get it out to clear it, whereas with the Brumbies one the ball was wrapped up by Hockings and was never coming out. The rule was designed to stop halves killing the game unnecessarily so, in that sense, the refs interpretation was in line with the purpose of the rule (IMO of course, and I can see why a Brumbies supported would feel otherwise).
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Cripes, that seems very low, back in the day Qld v nags would've been at least 25k?. I wonder what the record is.
13k @ Ballymore wouldn't be so bad, @ 53k capacity Lang Park is just depressing
It's roughly 2,000 more people that attended the same match last year..........
The Reds average crowd in 2018 was just over 12k.
liquor box
Greg Davis (50)
This is why Brisbane needs a roof on the stadium. If we can convince the Broncos and NRL to complain it might just happen.
liquor box
Greg Davis (50)
It may be a higher margin of error but if you look how many "good kicks" we usually have the percentage difference cannot be to great.
Hound
Bill Watson (15)
I'd say if a bunch of 20-something blokes turned up each with their paw patrol bottles full of vodka, security might check them.
I know that's the risk with letting people bring liquids in but I'm glad common sense prevailed and they let us bring our kids drink bottles in. As it was they both smashed their waters by half time and I had to buy a bunch of mount franklins at half time to fill them up again.
Hope you could afford it. The stadium doesn't miss out in making a quid on food and drinks.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
Inconsistency is the killer though Strewth. Two similar situations in the one game refereed quite differently, with ultimately an impact on the game itself.
I think the other aspect is kicking them dead. A torpedo that really sails off the boot can go a huge distance and then keep travelling.
Kicking the ball dead from well inside your half is a substantial penalty now that it is a scrum to the opposition.
I'd be interested to see if there is a correlation between the decreased use of the torpedo and the change in the laws to make a ball kicked dead a scrum to the opposition from the position of the kick rather than a drop out.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
I can see there might have been a difference as you describe TSR, but if that's the case then why have the law in the first place. If the ball is tied up as it was by Hockings, then it will result in a turnover scrum anyway, whereas if it is free then there is not reason for the ref to say use it if he isn't going to enforce the law.
Is it inconsistency though?
They're not similar situations. In one the referee can see the ball and thinks it can be cleared and in the other they can't.
The laws clearly allow for the referee to provide time for the ball to be cleared if they think it can be cleared.
The 5 seconds in the laws is about the maul stopping advancing. It is not mentioned in relation to clearing the ball.
TSR
Mark Ella (57)
I think the argument is that we want to see refs use discretion, where appropriate, to allow the game to proceed. Happy to concede though that the Reds would have no case to argue if the ref had pulled it up.
Edit: with regards to the rule itself, if I recall correctly it was introduced when the practice was to form really long rucks & mails and hold the ball at the back for ridiculously long periods of time. That no longer occurs, so it has been a very good rule from that perspective.