The point I was making is that some clubs have gone, and some are never likely to get out of lower divisions. Its a natural consequence of so many clubs trying to fit into that area, particularly with the changing demographics of the region. Chatswood were 4th Division only a few years ago. Lane Cove as well. KWP are goneski, Roseville bounce up and down depending on what competitions are available, and Brothers, while successful, are now stretched to breaking and look like they might crash a bit next year. Forest have had their troubles too a bit further north, and slightly to the west, Dundas are history. Lindfield are doing well, but have they ever really threatened to grow beyond being a solid Div 2 club in that area? Lower divisions is a hard slog - out our way Norwest as well as Oakhill OB have disappeared from the adult ranks, while to the south St George went from finalists in all grades to zero pretty quickly. Bankstown, Rockdale, Notre Dame, Fairvale (who became the Vales), Liverpool, even Canterbury have been on a seesaw for a while. Northwest Sydney is ripe for decent adult sport that isn't loig, and features some strength in places like Redfield OB and Hills Rugby, but the local clubs can only do so much. We're into U6 and U7 and will add more next year, but its a long road to Colts and requires a lot of input from people who just don't have time to deal with Subbies' white collar take on everything, particularly parents. We've got guys who can't train at night, because they're shift workers, and often pick up extras on the weekend so can't always turn up on time for Third Grade. Makes it bloody hard to lock in a no-train-no-play policy for higher grades in particular, so we get beaten in the last 10 minutes - we led Beecroft, Canterbury, and Sydney Harlequins at each of their home grounds in the back end of the season but just couldn't finish off because the polish you get from training your teams together isn't there. Then you have issues building depth because guys who do train get the shits that they're being put into Third Grade. Hopefully we can turn that around next year and keep everything moving in line with our club culture, which is the best I've seen it since the club started in 2007.