Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by Lindommer, Jun 12, 2018.
I thought he was going to stay after bringing Bill back.
Hopefully ASAP post WC we announce
Head Coach: Rennie/Kiss
Forwards Coach: Stiles
Attack Coach: Wisemantel
Defence Coach: Taylor
What has Les Kiss done to be in that conversation?
Looks good, but Stiles!!?
Surely Laurie Fisher a better option.
Does Lord Laurie even want in? I thought he was happy back at the Brumbies?
No idea, but this is hypothetical, and Stiles is not the answer. I’d rather get a forwards coach from England.
It may well be that we can do better than Stiles. But it’s premature to write him off I think, especially re forwards.
I think Australia needs to discriminate between forwards coach and set piece coach.. seemed to be plenty of formers props/hookers in the role of forwards coaches, but reality is most of these older props/hookers were rubbish at general forwards play because it wasn’t as expected of them.
I guess what I’m saying, coaching needs to seperate the roles of set piece and forwards coaching role, because when we’re good at scrums, mauls line outs; we suck at rucks, running lines and collisions.
Stiles and Foley are examples of this. Good set price coaches, but their forwards sucked elsewhere around the park.
Nothing really, Just throwing in an Aussie. I'd give Wisemantel or Taylor a shot a HC but Kiss was the only one I could think of who has been an Head Coach.
Oh I agree, but that 4 man combo (rennie, taylor, wisemantel, stiles) were written up in an article recently as targets. Stiles is highly regarded for his set piece nous which is fair enough.
I didn’t see him do anything at the Reds or Force for that matter. Even when our scrum was very good it wasn’t a weapon.
Not shooting the messenger, would just be disappointed.
Tattsy Taylor would be a massive upgrade on Grey though.
Not to harp on about Japan, but to see the footwork their forwards put in going into contact, they just always seemed to edge the ad line even without being the biggest (or I suspect most powerful) players. Just really good detail and just so consistent. They were just smart about contact. Their ruck work, cleanouts and the way they presented for the 9 was a masterclass, not to mention their hands, such that the offloading in tight even by the big boys was beyond impressive at times. I think there is a lot to be gained in our forwards continuing to refine a smart game around their role. Someone like Tupou could be a world beater if he has the right people around him, helping him to develop. He's got all the attributes in spades, power, speed, agility.
So yes, I agree, I think there is a distinct range of skills that need developing. Potentially the old structure of assistant coaches doesn't make as much sense in an age where things transition fluidly from 1 to 15. Maybe there is a place for more expertise in certain areas of the coaching team the same way many teams have had specialist kicking coaches.
SMH article about Cheika going to France/Argentina discusses it. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...tpellier-after-world-cup-20191009-p52z69.html
In case this is protected by a paywall, After talking about Rennie there is this, which is followed by a brief explanation of each of them - I've included Stiles one for you
"Of all the potential candidates for assistant coaching roles, the likes of Nick Stiles (forwards), Matt Taylor (defence) and Scott Wisemantel (attack) are being touted as the top targets."
Stiles has recently recruited Quade Cooper and Will Genia to second division Japanese team Kintetsu but has long been on RA's list of overseas-based Australians they want to bring home. He is widely regarded as one of Australia's top forwards and set piece coaches.
The TSS coach before Tattsy was a bloke called John Mulvihill who currently is head coach of Cardiff. He has never really been embraced completely in Australia but is a very good coach. Not directly relevant to Stiles though as he is primarily a backs coach.
I have a different memory of the Reds scrum in 2015-2016, my memory is that the scrum was about the only thing the team had going for it and in one of those seasons topped the count for most forced penalties. Holmes moved overseas at the end of 2016, but Stiles helped Holmes become the form THP in Australia those last 2 years he was in Australia. Sam Talakai took over as THP in 2016? and was been spoken about as a future wallaby when he first arrived on the scene. I'd say Talakais form plateaud around 2017.
Stiles is a very good set piece coach, he isn't a very good forwards coach or head coach.
Was the scrum a weapon Adam? Did we get penalty tries? Did we win opposition feeds, and extract penalties?
That was the point, in spite of the scrums being very good as written.
I don’t want to have an obtuse argument mate.
In summary, Stiles is a glorified scrum coach.
This is so true, Stiles was a great scrum coach but his time at the Reds they were shit at the ruck and maul and general play. Its a special kinda coach that can get the scrum and lineout going but also deal with the rest of the forward play. Its why we love Lord Laurie his really good at all of it, but he also seems to love having a specific scrum coach with him..
Yep I would take Lord Laurie and his bob cap every day of the week. I think Stiles could though become a very good coach, just needs time learning other aspects. I dont want him lost, but coaching Japan England anywhere else, will probably do him a world of good. But he had as bad or worst record then Dick Graham..
Dick Graham didn’t even hold a gig in Georgia for long, Qlds’s darkest days.
The current England coach would like a word with you
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