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CAS Rugby 2022

That may be exciting news for the boy in question but I don’t see it as good news for CAS rugby. It would be more interesting if Aus rugby was finding ways of enticing talented kids like that to stay in the 15 man game, although I guess he was always a league prospect taking an opportunity to spend a couple of years in a fantastic school and further rounding out his overall game.
Let’s not forget that there have been hot league prospects who have stayed in Union despite everyone thinking they wouldn’t. Billy Pollard anyone!! Maybe after a few years he’ll come back to union having enjoyed his CAS days so much
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
and Knox has injuries and the “mega flu” running through the school… 13-15Ds have been cancelled with not enough kids available
Not sure what teams you mean by 13 - 15Ds, is that every 13s, 14s and 15 teams? Think not.
But yep, the Flu is rife in all schools, the Waves have at least 15 players ie 1 full team, unavailable in every age group, and I think we are no different to every other school, boarding schools like Joeys etc may well be worse. Surely after Covid, enough is enough!
 

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Fred Wood (13)
Sorry WLF I should have said 13,D, 14D and 15D… and now 16D. So only fielding 3 teams in each age group this weekend where there would normally be 4+ The bottom team in each is now a combined C/D side with a big bench. Yes it’s definitely in all schools… can’t take a trick
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
Sorry WLF I should have said 13,D, 14D and 15D… and now 16D. So only fielding 3 teams in each age group this weekend where there would normally be 4+ The bottom team in each is now a combined C/D side with a big bench. Yes it’s definitely in all schools… can’t take a trick
BBR, That is certainly better than every team but still a headache, yep, it's 1 thing after another at the moment.
The break will hopefully help these things to pass!

Our 1s and 2s are at full strength, what games are you going to watch?
 
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Hey WLF3 - any thoughts on Ronald Volkman's debut for the Warriors? Its a shame he left rugby for league, but it is always great to see good talent rise to the senior ranks; maybe one day he might return to union..

I remember refereeing him in a 16 A game against Scots, and he was a class above everyone else on the field...
 

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Sydney Middleton (9)
FWIW - Aloys only has one team in each of the 14s and 15s. They played Waverly 14Bs and 15Bs last weekend, but interestingly the school has been quiet in regards to if this is happening for the entire CAS season, or if it is a week to week proposition depending on the strength of the opposition.

Wow that is a big drop. They fielded 4 teams in the now u16s last year.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
Hey WLF3 - any thoughts on Ronald Volkman's debut for the Warriors? Its a shame he left rugby for league, but it is always great to see good talent rise to the senior ranks; maybe one day he might return to union..

I remember refereeing him in a 16 A game against Scots, and he was a class above everyone else on the field...
Yes High OB, He was a seriously good player, could do it all, including goal kicking.
Also a great young man, very team orientated, not just about himself and everyone is very happy for him.

There have been a multitude of very good players over the years just goes to show how few make the big time in either code. .
 

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Fred Wood (13)
BBR, That is certainly better than every team but still a headache, yep, it's 1 thing after another at the moment.
The break will hopefully help these things to pass!

Our 1s and 2s are at full strength, what games are you going to watch?
I’ll be around for 16a 1sts and 2nds… knox without their No8 this week but full strength apart from that.

should be a great game, I’ll post updates in the 1sts.

Shame about Katoa missing CAS v GPS… from a selfish perspective i just wanted to see him play as I have haven’t seen him before.
 

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Fred Wood (13)
Ap1 any thoughts from an aloys perspective of what you think should happen rugby wise re the CAS survey? Is there a good crop of young talent, albeit without depth of numbers, that just needs a stronger rugby program / department? Interested to hear from someone on the ground week to week
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
I’ll be around for 16a 1sts and 2nds… knox without their No8 this week but full strength apart from that.

should be a great game, I’ll post updates in the 1sts.

Shame about Katoa missing CAS v GPS… from a selfish perspective i just wanted to see him play as I have haven’t seen him before.
I will also be at the 16as, and then up to see all the Opens. As you can appreciate I won't be going home and returning! :p

Agree would have liked to see Katoa, he played last year but probably wasn't as strong as this year.
The weather killed our style of play, particularly in the big running forwards, and we bombed 3 tries last year, so didn't deserve to win.
I wonder who the CAS 10 will be!
 

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Fred Wood (13)
I will also be at the 16as, and then up to see all the Opens. As you can appreciate I won't be going home and returning! :p

Agree would have liked to see Katoa, he played last year but probably wasn't as strong as this year.
The weather killed our style of play, particularly in the big running forwards, and we bombed 3 tries last year, so didn't deserve to win.
I wonder who the CAS 10 will be!
There you go, I was at the game in appalling rain and for some reason I thought it was the other barker lad at 10 (name escapes me)… so I have seen him play. Yeah that was an odd game, a lot of good players didn’t fire on that evening…

the current knox 10 is quite a good kicker and distributer… not the biggest kid going around. The younger Edmed is at trinity… his brother was great for CAS against GPS at joeys some years back

Or maybe there’s a waves 10 tomorrow that steels the show??? (I hope not)
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
There you go, I was at the game in appalling rain and for some reason I thought it was the other barker lad at 10 (name escapes me)… so I have seen him play. Yeah that was an odd game, a lot of good players didn’t fire on that evening…

the current knox 10 is quite a good kicker and distributer… not the biggest kid going around. The younger Edmed is at trinity… his brother was great for CAS against GPS at joeys some years back

Or maybe there’s a waves 10 tomorrow that steels the show??? (I hope not)
The Waves 10 is good, great passer and boot, young though in year 11, sounds like Katoa's shoes will be near impossible to fill.

In last years CAS 1s the wrong front row was picked, they got pushed back, we were all amazed they didn't pick the obvious, and best, combo Black and Smith, the scrum would have been exactly the opposite, anyway.

I think tomorrows games will be terrific! May the best teams win.
 

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Fred Wood (13)
The Waves 10 is good, great passer and boot, young though in year 11, sounds like Katoa's shoes will be near impossible to fill.

In last years CAS 1s the wrong front row was picked, they got pushed back, we were all amazed they didn't pick the obvious, and best, combo Black and Smith, the scrum would have been exactly the opposite, anyway.

I think tomorrows games will be terrific! May the best teams win.
Agree… I found that prop selection quite bizarre at the time.

dry track tomorrow, should be a good crowd… Hopefully the ref lets it flow and we don’t knock anyone out of Tuesdays fixture
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
BBR,

I can only comment as someone with relatively recent experience with the school...

It is going to be very difficult for the school. A relatively small cohort of students (approx 150 per yr), with no additional intakes in years 9 or 11 mean that what they have in year 7 is the maximum number of potential rugby players that they have in year 11/12. The school is obviously deliberately focused on academics and also other extra curricular activities (music, arts, drama, etc) and has the strong support of all parents for this focus. This combined with a very clear and openly stated position on scholarships means that the starting base of players is not as strong as other schools and doesn't get supplemented in later years (again, very much supported by the parents).

In the short time I have been there, I have seen the numbers of kids (and importantly also parents) who have an interested in rugby is declining, mostly at the expense of soccer and truth be told, this is what I also see in club rugby. The problems are all then quite circular in that there are less kids interested, so less teams, which usually means weaker teams, which means they often get badly beaten, which leads to any'swing voters' leaving rugby, which then perpetuates the problem. One other very obvious problem is that of injuries. With less depth in numbers, they probably have a disproportionately large impact when compared to other schools.

The rugby community at the school is very keen (as is often the case with rugby communities), the effort and commitment of the coaches & staff is good, and the kids give it their all (sometimes amazingly so in the Opens, where I am often amazed at how much they put their bodies on the line against kids who are 1 year away from professional rugby / league contracts), but it simply doesn't have the resources (players, facilities, grounds, etc) to compete with some other schools. The best way I put it to people is that they are "school kids playing rugby", not "professional rugby players at school".

As I have mentioned in previous posts, the best outcome would be a school rugby association merger, whereby schools could be matched up appropriately so that boys who wish to play rugby can continue to do so through the school rugby program.

I know it would horrify some people (and would have plenty of logistical issues), but I have often wondered if a school rugby association merger was never going to eventuate, would it be better for schools in a similar situation to become SJRU accredited clubs and play in the club rugby system, perhaps in the 13-16s age group and come back into a school program for Opens? It certainly would allow younger teams to be graded more appropriately, hence the negative cycle described above might be broken.
Exactly and obviously right.
 

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Ron Walden (29)
Agree… I found that prop selection quite bizarre at the time.

dry track tomorrow, should be a good crowd… Hopefully the ref lets it flow and we don’t knock anyone out of Tuesdays fixture
Selectors that don’t understand there is a difference between tight and loose head props just show they don’t know enough to be selecting. Poor Yazdani had never played loose head, and didn’t know he had to split his feet so the ball could go in the scrum.

Game over from one selection.

Ah well hopefully no blue card controversies for Barker kids this year to ruin the the teams at the last minute as well.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
BBR,

I can only comment as someone with relatively recent experience with the school...

It is going to be very difficult for the school. A relatively small cohort of students (approx 150 per yr), with no additional intakes in years 9 or 11 mean that what they have in year 7 is the maximum number of potential rugby players that they have in year 11/12. The school is obviously deliberately focused on academics and also other extra curricular activities (music, arts, drama, etc) and has the strong support of all parents for this focus. This combined with a very clear and openly stated position on scholarships means that the starting base of players is not as strong as other schools and doesn't get supplemented in later years (again, very much supported by the parents).

In the short time I have been there, I have seen the numbers of kids (and importantly also parents) who have an interested in rugby is declining, mostly at the expense of soccer and truth be told, this is what I also see in club rugby. The problems are all then quite circular in that there are less kids interested, so less teams, which usually means weaker teams, which means they often get badly beaten, which leads to any'swing voters' leaving rugby, which then perpetuates the problem. One other very obvious problem is that of injuries. With less depth in numbers, they probably have a disproportionately large impact when compared to other schools.

The rugby community at the school is very keen (as is often the case with rugby communities), the effort and commitment of the coaches & staff is good, and the kids give it their all (sometimes amazingly so in the Opens, where I am often amazed at how much they put their bodies on the line against kids who are 1 year away from professional rugby / league contracts), but it simply doesn't have the resources (players, facilities, grounds, etc) to compete with some other schools. The best way I put it to people is that they are "school kids playing rugby", not "professional rugby players at school".

As I have mentioned in previous posts, the best outcome would be a school rugby association merger, whereby schools could be matched up appropriately so that boys who wish to play rugby can continue to do so through the school rugby program.

I know it would horrify some people (and would have plenty of logistical issues), but I have often wondered if a school rugby association merger was never going to eventuate, would it be better for schools in a similar situation to become SJRU accredited clubs and play in the club rugby system, perhaps in the 13-16s age group and come back into a school program for Opens? It certainly would allow younger teams to be graded more appropriately, hence the negative cycle described above might be broken.
Ap1 , as you can see re the "likes" you have received there are many of us who agree with your overview, I am one of those.
I have a nephew at Aloys and have had several more very close family members at Aloys, prior to the change of direction.

Given that the school has chosen a particular direction re academia, then the inevitable will typically happen, and it has now.
Sydney High and Grammar are obvious examples.

A merger, grading system is required, lots of us know that, time will tell, I suspect in the end it will happen inevitably.
 
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