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Wallabies v France, Paris, Sun 6th Nov 7am AEDT

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
What use is Lolesio starting against Italy? We know what we have with him, Donaldson needs a chance before the RWC to show if he can overtake him. Won't find that out off the bench.

Lolesio is likely to start against Wales...

It would be best to have him also start against Italy to get some significant match time in before then.

I honestly don't see Donaldson overtaking him (at this stage), but bench time against Italy and maybe Wales is probably the best we can give him.
 

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Will Genia (78)
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Stats don't really describe how messy the ball was though. Maybe four official turnovers but there were heaps of shit passes/runs because of tough ruck ball.

Absolutely. It was a mess all game. It wasn't totally dissimilar for Scotland though.

BH, I think the difference was in the BD ball speed, ours was slowed by the scots almost every time and their ball was quick and distributed better.
I didn't expect too much from Hooper's first game back. He will be up for this top-level contest. Don't care whether McRight or Samu is on the bench but we need to bench Hooper early in the 2nd half as I suspect he will go flat out this week.

Was their ball that much better? They had more possession but carried for less metres. Aside from their early try did they really produce the sort of quality ball that gave them opportunities to do something with it?

Could Hooper have slowed down their breakdown more? Most likely.

Is the 7's play of great influence in the speed of our own ball? Not significantly.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Lolesio is likely to start against Wales...
I just see that as more reason for starting Donaldson against Italy.

As for some people saying we can't risk a B team against Italy - I think the recent Aus A performances (and then Japan v NZ) should give us a little confidence our B team is pretty good.
 
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stillmissit

Chilla Wilson (44)
BH, Certainly in the first half, but not so much in the second. The fact that they didn't do much with it was similar to us with slow ball. Had we got that quick ball it might have been a different first half. Hooper couldn't have done anything to slow it down as they committed 3 guys to protect their ball whereas we only put in one and sometimes two.
 

stillmissit

Chilla Wilson (44)
I just see that as more reason for starting Donaldson against Italy.

As for some people saying we can't risk a B team against Italy - I think the recent Aus A performances (and then Japan v NZ) should give us a little confidence our B team is pretty good.
Qwerty, I agree with you. We need to find out what talent we have at 10 assuming the worst and Cooper is not available or breaks down again. Rennie appears to have lost faith in Lolesio to some extent and Donaldson may be the answer, we won't know if he doesn't get a decent start.
He always strikes me as a quietly confident player who is a good thinker.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Samu has very little over the ball game and McReight is about the same size as Hoops (maybe even smaller?).

Who are you suggesting we pick?
Samu D. Just as strong over the ball as MH, and more physical in open play. I would give McReight the spot against Italy. Best of the three in against Ireland/Wales.
 
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Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
A bit of talk about Rennie losing confidence in Lolesio but he has been consistently in Rennie's squad and sometimes on the bench. What has Donaldson done to suggest he is now the favourite for development?
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
He performed for Aus A, did what was required. He’s rightly the next up so we need to see him. Relax, if he stinks we go straight back to Lolesio.
 

stillmissit

Chilla Wilson (44)
A bit of talk about Rennie losing confidence in Lolesio but he has been consistently in Rennie's squad and sometimes on the bench. What has Donaldson done to suggest he is now the favourite for development?
BR, if Rennie has such faith in Lolesio why is he constantly looking for someone else to run the show?
 

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Herbert Moran (7)
A bit of talk about Rennie losing confidence in Lolesio but he has been consistently in Rennie's squad and sometimes on the bench. What has Donaldson done to suggest he is now the favourite for development?
Let's rephrase this question a little. What has Lolesio done to say that he is still the favourite for development? He certainly had one awesome game this year and well done. I can't remember to many other games however where he set the house on fire. Yes a few games he may have been solid but that's about it. Both should be given equal opportunity for development. Only then can it be determined who the better player is.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
Let's rephrase this question a little. What has Lolesio done to say that he is still the favourite for development? He certainly had one awesome game this year and well done. I can't remember to many other games however where he set the house on fire. Yes a few games he may have been solid but that's about it. Both should be given equal opportunity for development. Only then can it be determined who the better player is.
Lolesio was the best performing flyhalf in Super Rugby and has a fair bit of test experience now. You don't develop in the Wallabies. Certainly not with 8 games before the RWC.
 

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Herbert Moran (7)
Lolesio was the best performing flyhalf in Super Rugby and has a fair bit of test experience now. You don't develop in the Wallabies. Certainly not with 8 games before the RWC.
Wow, don't develop in the wallabies. Why do they bother bringing players that have never played a test into camp. Is this not for development. Except for this tour why has Vunivalu been constantly in Wallaby camps and tours? Was this not to develop him as a player. Why do they normally start their Wallaby career from the bench and then are given a starting position against a lessor side such as Japan or perhaps Italy. Is it not that they are developing them, building there confidence, seeing if they can make the step up. Developing two young players is better than having just one. I hope Lolesio succeeds as well as Donaldson, however Lolesio has started in about 12 games for the Wallabies since his debut and when starting, the team has won just 36% of the time. Is it his fault, no it isn't as one man does not make a team. A better player however could improve the teams performance. So lets find out if someone else is better otherwise we could very well go to the world cup and sent packing in the quarter finals or who knows not even reaching the quarter finals as at the moment the only 10 for the Wallabies I rate as capable of taking the Wallabies further is Quade and he is injured.
 

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George Gregan (70)
Samu D. Just as strong over the ball as MH, and more physical in open play. I would give McReight the spot against Italy. Best of the three in against Ireland/Wales.
Is he more physical in open play? Hes certainly not more physical on the defensive side and most of his carries come in the loose.
 
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