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Franks: Just wiping his brow Mr Poite. Nothing to see here. Poite: you are a true gentleman Owen. While you're at it there's some more down there on his neck as well.

Expressing emotion does not equal lack of control. In fact individuals that do probably possess more emotional intelligence than individuals that don't. Vent, get over it, and move on. It's the lack of the last two steps that is the problem, not the first one. Venting happens in every coaches...

Agree with all of that. Except that Cheika has every right to mouth off in the privacy of his own box. Are coaches expected to be emotionless machines?? The bigger question is why do the bloody cameras feel the need to go to the box after every contentious decision hoping to catch an obscenity...

Why? We've scored 1 try in two games whilst our defence has leaked like a sieve. Our back line has zero penetration and their defensive alignment has been appalling. The forwards have been soft but that doesn't make the backs immune from criticism. Both are fair game.

Losing is what's wrong with Australian rugby. It brings out all the quacks and conspiracy theorists. Fix that and the rest will disappear.

Cooper and Timani to start and I'd be pretty happy with that. Lots of solid kicking options in the back 3 for once. Maybe Arnold for Skelton if he puts in a solid performance this weekend. Edit: just noticed no pocock - not happy Jan...

You got that right If they were Douglas would have been rolling around in agony and temporarily blinded until franks was carded then he would have miraculously got his sight back and played on.

He does. But he's not making it to help us out. It's all done with design to keep the pressure on and start the influence on Owens next week. The point I was making is like our scrums a few years back we were not always at fault but the perception was always there. We started the problem and...

I'm surprised Poite didn't penalise Coleman there for giving whitelock the finger.

That's exactly what I mean by perception and preconceived ideas. I was deliberately watching Moore. There was no such shouting between the two interactions from him. Edit : in fact I just rewatched the first 10 mins and the only shouting at the ref between the interactions came from all blacks.

Perhaps - but a deliberate infringement in the red zone doesn't need to be recurrent to incur a card. It was never going to happen but most captains would politely ask the question. The ABs gave away 4 defensive penalties in the first 20mins and Moore didn't raise the question again because of...

Unfortunately it's all about perception and that's just Hansen deliberately and pointedly adding to that perception, putting another nail in Stephen Moores coffin. It's getting close to an Al Baxter type situation and soon Cheiks will have little choice. I actually think Moore was pretty hard...

Mate you know the answer to that question Winners are grinners. Nothing else matters then. The 50/50 ruck calls are just just whinging but the cynical shit like the push on pocock above and the Douglas facial is why it's hard for some to be gracious in defeat. That stuff is just unnecessary...

Problem is the ABs could do exactly the same thing. There's always things that get missed in a fast paced game with complex rules. Both results have been a fair reflection of the way each team played. Don't waste your time. It would be better spent analysing why we suddenly suck in defence and...

Bastard. He should just stay put.

We've lost against the no 1 and 2 ranked sides in the world. SAF struggled against Ireland who were easily accounted for by Eng, and are lucky not to be down 2-0 to the Argies. Results are going as the rankings would suggest they should. I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.

I have no doubt there was no gouge. The ABs are cynical but not dirty. My only beef is that there was contact with the face and that should at least have been a penalty - as a deterrent at the very least. I'm actually glad there was no red card - the shitstorm from losing against 14 men for 75...

Whether there was an actual gouge or not Franks should consider himself very very very lucky. But there's more important things Cheika and the wallabies should be focusing on right now other than foul play and covert meetings with referees, neither of which had any influence on the result...

Scoreline not results.

F@#k me you guys are a depressing lot. The wallabies have a shocker every year. Can't remember the last time they haven't. The Doomsday pundits come out then normality returns. The English series was dissaponting (there's that word again) but respectable The wallabies are capable of much better...