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2012 S15 SA Conference

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by PaarlBok, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. spooony Ron Walden (29)

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    No I act like its news because he is starting. Don't think Carter would have struggled because thats the sign of a good flyhalf and scrumhalf. Ability to perform behind a losing pack and Carter does have that ability by miles

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    Are the Kings going to be a Eastern Cape franchise?
  2. Brisbok Ron Walden (29)

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    You are dreaming if you think one world class player would make a massive difference to a team who is losing by 30 - 40 points each week. A successful team takes a lot more than one superstar player.
  3. Hawko Jim Lenehan (48)

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    This raises more questions than it provides information. If one of the franchises is to drop out then two years ago it would have been a toss up between the Cheetahs and the Lions and on performance you'd have scarcely been concerned who it was. But the Cheetahs resurgence of the last two seasons and the Lions taking of the Currie Cup would suggest neither as logical candidates. The other three franchises are all heavyweights and unlikely to drop out. So the likelihood is a six team set-up for the SA conference, but neither NZ or Australia would want to change from the current five team set-up.

    Its doable, I think, but the likelihood of favorable draws for teams compared to others may become an issue. If we assume the same number of rounds then the NZ and Oz conferences work the same as before but now will miss playing one franchise in Australasia and two franchises in SA. The SA conference will have all teams playing each other once and each team plays three other SA teams for the second time, with each team not playing two SA teams more than once.

    I am glad I'm not doing the draw. Setting up an algorithm that copes with the travel requirements and the various byes and derbies without some teams playing out of turn (like playing both Waratahs - Reds games in one half of the season) is mind boggling. I've got a headache just thinking about how hard it will be. And then dealing with the complaints from aggrieved teams (like "we miss playing the Cheetahs and Kings and miss out on five point opportunities, while they miss playing the Sharks and Stormers").
  4. spooony Ron Walden (29)

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    Not saying its going to let them win just saying he will perform better. Just another thing on your statement. Beale? Flyhalf channel, Chiefs? Rings a bell?
  5. qwerty51 Phil Kearns (64)

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    How would one know that?
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  6. spooony Ron Walden (29)

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    Rob Howley the welsh scrumhalf? Neil Jenkins two great examples
  7. Brisbok Ron Walden (29)

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    You missed the point of the post.how would one know that Carter has the ability to perform behind a losing pack? He plays for the Crusaders and the All Blacks.two of the strongest packs around.
  8. Brisbok Ron Walden (29)

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    I have no idea what you're talking about but I'll just settle on agreeing to disagree.
  9. spooony Ron Walden (29)

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    Was his pack always winning? Did they run over every pack they played since he started paying? Yes no Yes no? Are you saying he does not have that ability or he's not as good as the people believe he is?
  10. qwerty51 Phil Kearns (64)

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    I reckon a few other 10s would love to have played behind a Crusaders and All Black pack their whole career, I'm sure they'd look much better. The most recent time his pack was beaten was the TN final and he had quite a poor game.
  11. BDA John Solomon (38)

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    I like how the SARU unanimously decide that the Kings will be in the Super 15, yet no confirmation that Sanzar will support an extra team in the competition. One would think that the current Sanzar braodcasting deal will mean that SANZAR will only accomadate 15 teams.

    I think a year to year relegation system sounds like an interesting prospect for neutral fans such as myself, however it will undoubtably be upsetting news to the fan base of the Cheetahs and Lions. I agree with Hawko that they are the teams most likely to make way for the Kings, unfairly I think given that both teams are finally starting to be reasonably competitive in Super rugby.

    The Kings have no chance of being competitive at Super rugby, so I would probaby prefer to leave things as is, but that is a matter for SARU if they wish to sacrifice one of their established teams for the sake of politics (cause lets race it, like many decisions in SA rugby, this is one where Race is clearly at the core)

    However, if the SARU intend to introduce a year to year relegation system, one would think that at the very least it would be fair to advise the teams in the SA conference, prior to the commencement of this year's tournament that whoever takes the wooden spoon is not playing Super rugby next year. That would be good motivation for the teams. If they don't do that, we can assume that the SARU have already decided that they intend to impose their will on SANZAR and add an extra team to the competition.
  12. Lee Grant Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Although the Golden Lions and Lions are not the same entity, the outfit seems to be in financial difficulties; so maybe they would be the ones to go.

    Looking from here, there may be some folk who look up where the Lions play and where the Bulls play and think: they're only about an hour apart; so why do they need two teams for the area?

    But that would be ignorant of the old deadly rivalry between Transvaal and Northern Transvaal.

    I have a cunning plan: why don't they combine the Lions and the Cheetahs and call the team The Cats? Wait a minute ..
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  13. Swat Chilla Wilson (44)

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    Is it as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning?
  14. PaarlBok Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Warm Up teams:
    Stormers vs Cheetahs
    Cheetahs:
    1 LOOSEHEAD PROP Marcel van der Merwe
    2 HOOKER Adriaan Strauss ( c )
    3 TIGHTHEAD PROP WP Nel
    4 LEFT LOCK Andries Ferreira
    5 RIGHT LOCK Izak van der Westhuizen
    6 LEFT FLANKER Heinrich Brussow
    7 RIGHT FLANKER Philip van der Walt
    8 NUMBER EIGHT Davon Raubenheimer
    9 SCRUMHALF Piet van Zyl
    10 FLYHALF Johan Goosen
    11 LEFT WING Rocco Jansen
    12 INSIDE CENTRE Andries Strauss
    13 OUTSIDE CENTRE Robert Ebersohn
    14 RIGHT WING Dusty Noble
    15 FULLBACK Hennie Daniller

    REPLACEMENTS:

    16. RESERVE Lourens Adriaanse
    17. RESERVE Ryno Barnes
    18. RESERVE George Earle
    19. RESERVE Ashley Johnson
    20. RESERVE Marnus Hugo
    21. RESERVE Sias Ebersohn
    22. RESERVE Willie le Roux
    23. RESERVE Philip Snyman
    24. RESERVE Ryno Benjamin
    25. RESERVE Francois Uys

    Stormers:
    Stormers vs. Cheetahs: Gio Aplon/Gerhard van den Heever; Danie Poolman, JP du Plessis, Marcel Brache, Ederies Arendse; Demetri Catrakilis, Nic Groom; Nizaam Carr, Siya Kolisi, Schalk Burger ©, De Kock Steenkamp, Rynhardt Elstadt, Frans Malherbe, Deon Fourie, Deon Carstens. Reserwes: Siyabonga Ntubeni, Steven Kitshoff, Brock Harris, Eben Etzebeth, Donovan Armand, Nick Fenton-Wells, Rohan Kitshoff, Bolla Conradie, Kurt Coleman, Michael van der Spuy, Berton Klaasen.
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  15. SuperGrover Darby Loudon (17)

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    I'm happy to see JP du Plessis getting another go at 13. He looked the goods last week.
  16. qwerty51 Phil Kearns (64)

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    When is Juan Smith back? Rugby has been poorer without him, probably my favourite non-Aussie.
  17. luikang Banned

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    Until he decides to play for three years in Australia
  18. PaarlBok Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Blou Bulle vs. Kings: Jurgen Visser; Sampie Mastriet, Ulrich Beyers, Lionel Cronjé, JJ Engelbrecht; Louis Fouché, Jano Vermaak; CJ Stander, Arno Botha, Jean Cook, Wilhelm Steenkamp ©, Gerrit-Jan van Vélze, Frik Kirsten, Willie Wepener, Dawie Steyn. Reserwes: Bongani Mbonambi, Louis Alberts, Daniel Adonga, Franco Mostert, Cornell Hess, Ruan Snyman, Francois Venter/Courtnall Skosan, Adri Jacobs, Clayton Blommetjies.
  19. PaarlBok Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Reports on the weekends warmups.

    Cheetahs show some steel on Newlands
    Brutes vs Kings
  20. spooony Ron Walden (29)

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    They take a lot out of playing against 2nd stringers beating them by 8 points in pre Season friendly. Reminded me of Man UTD beating Barca in a pre season friendly last year

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