Federal Coalition Government 2013-?

[Bruwheresmycar]

Why is a claim of lack of bias any more objective than a claim of bias?

You'll never know anything for certain IS, but the ABC has been trying to eliminate bias for decades (same with the BBC, both are interesting projects). The only way they know how is to set out protocols outlining what constitutes reasonable journalism and to tightly abide by it.

From there you just compare how they are going to other companies with the opposite strategy to see if there is a different level of bias between them. And of course when you have several newscorp publications who put themselves before the press guidelines, and you see them actively campaigning for political parties while the ABC is not. It does appear their stratergy is somewhat working.

Obviously there will be those who say "but that isn't what I'm taking about", "that's not what bias is", "you can't prove this for sure". Personally I believe those who are most likely to raise those objections are doing so not because they are just normally critical people, but because it's simply the only argument they have left.

and if this is the true measure of news what is one to make of the absence of follow up stories relating to the UNHCR's efforts to obtain corroboration of the stories told? That the absence of corroboration conforms to conventional wisdom? Just as it did back in 2002?
Have any of you actually considered the several different version of how these refugees claimed to have sustained their burns? Did the ABC explore these inconsistencies? No they buried them in a sound bite 2 weeks ago on radio national of which nothing more has been heard.
Now, why on earth would they do that? Because inconsistencies conform to the conventional wisdom?

Pointing out a single case of the ABC failing to abide by it's own standards doesn't discount what I'm saying. I'm talking about the wider and long term trends of their reporting and I most certainly don't think they'll get it right every time. Of course that was a case of lazy journalism. Surely foreign corespondents know better than to use the words of Indonesian police as their definitive confirmation of a source's claims? I mean, what % of the Australian population do you think has bribed an Indonesian policeman in their time? Who's going to trust that!

 

[matty_k]

The ABC is publically funded and not like the others. I don't pay for 2GB. Never listen to any of them at all.

Yes you do. Just not directly. You buy products/services from companies and those companies buy advertising.

I suggest people go to iView and watch the Media Watch episode from Monday. It talks about the burnt hands thing outlines the timeline of it being reported.
It started overseas, Indonesia then France, and Channel 7 was the first to report it in Australia followed by The Australian.
Paul then criticises ABC News for how they reported on the story because of hour vehemently they reported on it and that they couldn't fully prove that the burning was done deliberately. Which has since come out that it occurred during a scuffle with Naval officers.

Media Watch then goes on to point out that the Murdoch press has been targeting ABC for some time claiming that his desire of The Australian Network is the reason.

 

[boyo]

Fish business gets a federal handout, but fruit is on the nose

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/fish-business-gets-a-federal-handout-but-fruit-is-on-the-nose-20140204-31zio.html#ixzz2sOvHvDuv

"On Tuesday Finance Minister Mathias Cormann tied himself in knots explaining one was a ''grant'' and the other a ''co-investment'', although it wasn't always clear which."

This comment speaks volumes:-

It's called PORK BARRELLING, Abbott did it pre-Federal election and he's at it again.This government is fast approaching the Howard governments record as the most deceptive government in Australia's history. The hypocrisy of these politicians is sickening. These liars know no bounds when it comes to deceit. It's what they don't tell us in the lead up to the Federal elections, their future intentions are kept a secret, because they know they would never gain office otherwise. If Abbott and his Coalition had told us that their intentions were to restructure our wage system they would not have won the election and Abbott wouldn't be PM today, that is a fact! His Royal Commission and the terms of reference the Coalition will design, will be structured to destroy the careers of as many Labor ministers as possible. Is this really in the best interest of Australia? Or is it only in the best interest of the LNP? Then there's Abbott's Union Inquiry, he's going after Gillard from her time at Slater & Gordon around 1994-95. So it's not to late for Abbott to call a Royal Commission into Howard and Iraq. You've got as much chance of that happening, as Abbott's sister has of getting married to her same sex partner as long as her brother is PM. ABSOLUTELY NONE! Unfortunately we seem to have to many liars and unscrupulous people that fill the chambers on both sides of politics. This non-approachable government has a dishonourable quality about them that is quite contemptuous, they actually believe they are beyond reproach! There's a whiff of corruption in the corridor 's of power!​

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Openslather
Location
Werribee
Date and time
February 05, 2014, 10:45AM


The fish business is in Tasmania, a state that's having an election soon. How convenient.

 

[boyo]

Tony Abbott 'blackening the character'of SPC workers says Liberal MP (Moana Pasifika) Sharman Stone

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-blackening-the-characterof-spc-workers-says-liberal-MP (Moana Pasifika)-sharman-stone-20140204-31zff.html#ixzz2sOxI3qjD

"Dr Stone said it made no sense for the government to support a Tasmanian fish farmer, Huon Aquaculture, by spending $3.5 million in public money to upgrade machinery while rejecting SPC Ardmona's bid."

 

[Braveheart81]

I'm confused what the difference between a grant and a co-investment is.

I'm pretty sure that the Federal or Tasmanian governments don't now own a stake in Huon Aquaculture.

I don't really see the difference in providing funding for additional infrastructure to create jobs and providing funding for an existing business to restructure in order to maintain jobs.

Both involved very similar ratios of state, federal and internal funding.

 

[Runner]

Yes you do. Just not directly. You buy products/services from companies and those companies buy advertising.

I suggest people go to iView and watch the Media Watch episode from Monday. It talks about the burnt hands thing outlines the timeline of it being reported.
It started overseas, Indonesia then France, and Channel 7 was the first to report it in Australia followed by The Australian.
Paul then criticises ABC News for how they reported on the story because of hour vehemently they reported on it and that they couldn't fully prove that the burning was done deliberately. Which has since come out that it occurred during a scuffle with Naval officers.

Media Watch then goes on to point out that the Murdoch press has been targeting ABC for some time claiming that his desire of The Australian Network is the reason.

Look even the ABC say what they do with our 8 cents directly paid. Commercial stuff well if Jones advertises it I wouldn't buy it.

The Australia network was a decision by Conroy as ABC lost two tender processes then he gave it to him.

Middle statement is spot on.

 

[Braveheart81]

Seriously though, how is it in Australia's interest to grant the license to promote Australia overseas to a commercial media entity which has their own very clear political motivations?

It would be farcical to grant News Corp the license to run the Australia Network.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Surely foreign corespondents know better than to use the words of Indonesian police as their definitive confirmation of a source's claims? I mean, what % of the Australian population do you think has bribed an Indonesian policeman in their time? Who's going to trust that!

Thank you.
You have said precisely what I was too afraid too say for fear of being decried as racist, among the other things.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I'm confused

me too

 

[Hugh Jarse]

True about the lack of guts HJ, but the atmosphere in western Sydney has really changed over the past 10 years or so - even the Labor candidate for Macarthur, to be heavily affected by a Badgery's Creek airport, has come out in favour of it.

Seems Sydney's second airport at Badgery's Creek decision may have been made, according to the Papers.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Seems Sydney's second airport at Badgery's Creek decision may have been made, according to the Papers.

You mean the second decision about Sydney's second airport

 

[Lindommer]

Second? How 'bout 22nd! The first discussions about a second airport near Sydney started in the 1940s.

One of my mates here in the beautiful Blue Mountains had a chicken business in Badgerys Creek which the federal government compulsorily purchased 35 years ago. For a huge trunkful of dollars. How about you bastards getting on with it.

 

[Runner]

Seriously though, how is it in Australia's interest to grant the license to promote Australia overseas to a commercial media entity which has their own very clear political motivations?

It would be farcical to grant News Corp the license to run the Australia Network.

And the ABC has no motivation?

 

[Runner]

Second? How 'bout 22nd! The first discussions about a second airport near Sydney started in the 1940s.

One of my mates here in the beautiful Blue Mountains had a chicken business in Badgerys Creek which the federal government compulsorily purchased 35 years ago. For a huge trunkful of dollars. How about you bastards getting on with it.

Lift the curfew and you don't need a second airport. Airport was there in 1921 so if you moved into the area in last 80 years you knew about the airport. As a kid I lived a Rockdale when very little housing was located at Botany etc.

 

[Rob42]

Lift the curfew and you don't need a second airport. Airport was there in 1921 so if you moved into the area in last 80 years you knew about the airport. As a kid I lived a Rockdale when very little housing was located at Botany etc.

Ludicrous to suggest that a city the size of Sydney should make do with one international airport. Worth it just to break the monopoly of Macquarie Airports, if for nothing else.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Ludicrous to suggest that a city the size of Sydney should make do with one international airport. Worth it just to break the monopoly of Macquarie Airports, if for nothing else.

Need a good train service though - but so does the whole of Sydney.
Runner - people have paid big $$ for your house and others on the strength of the curfew.
Not too many large cities have an airport as close as KFS - JFK would be one

 

[Hugh Jarse]

The Airport project will require a stack of other infrastructure related projects to support it, not the least of which is a passenger rail link.

This would result in a good and sustained investment in jobs and the Western Sydney economy.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

http://m.watoday.com.au/world/investigation-burned-hands-on-the-high-seas-20140206-hvbdl.html



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[Ruggo]

Joe Hockey says

"The structural position of our budget is unsustainable... Individuals must do more for themselves, they must become more self-reliant," he said.

But you want to implement that ridiculous paid parental leave scheme Joe. You are also handing out $200 marriage ethics vouches Joe (a horrible piece of social engineering by the Christian nutters on the far right). Joe, you want to scrap the carbon tax but will keep the financial support package that compliments the policy, yet you claim a budget emergency. You claim that people must do more for themselves but George Brandis can attend a wedding on the public purse amongst other cases of politicians ripping off the tax payer.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-06/hockey-economy-speech/5243310

 

[Ruggo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-...ylum-seekers-lands-on-indonesia-coast/5243990